The BHK 600 may sound good, but you have to hide it.
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I heard the delivery guy was awesome!
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More class A watts with the 333 also I believe.
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You’re right on the prices. PSA do trade-in and sales on amps including 600s, while D333 is quite firm on the price. So the actual cost is higher on Gryphon. But D333 in the long run may be more valuable because they have a prestige reputation, and sell in lower volume than products of PSA.
I hope one PZ can handle either 600s or D333. Good thing is that my normal listening volume is 30db lower than 30years ago, so I should be okay😆
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The Gryphon looks interesting. I’ll throw AVM into the race: AVM Ovation MA 8.3 as mono power amplifiers or SA 8.3 as stereo power amplifiers. There is also a light version with slightly smaller transformers and without a tube driver stage. Among them would be the 6.3 series. Not just because I have the predecessor of it. AVM is solidly built, sounds excellent and the price is still reasonable compared to some other manufacturers. I also think the SPL mono amplifier M1000 is cheap, good and stylish.
Greetings, Andreas
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AVM is unfamiliar name to me, and it’s not mentioned here as I remembered. They must be from Europe 
Well, I’ll take a look.
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But Diablo 333. The name alone sounds good and is reminiscent of a Lamborghini. The design could also come from that: something evil, in black. Of course Luca likes him. 
And Darth Vader fits in just as well. In contrast to some mono power amplifiers, the price is not that high considering the performance.
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The PZ has zero problems with the 333. Mine has no problems with the Apex. The P20 could not handle the Apex. No surprise with just one 20amp input.
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The price on either 333 or 600s is manageable, unless market crashes next spring😆
I have a few months, but I will start reading more reviews now.
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@straightwire is running his pair of BHK 600’s with the PZ 3.10. Sorry for telling your story Greg. Sorry forum Sheriff.
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? Greg is not having issue with 600s, I thought he loves them?
Bears continue to struggle. I quit ‘em at half time and have been listening with the new stands for over an hour.
One of the downsides of the Reference 3.1’s is their relative height. They tend to cast a lower sound stage without proper raking/angling of the speakers.
I thought I had done a decent job compensating previously but the new stands have added some nice height to the projection of the sound stage and seem to have “tightened up” the midrange clarity and snap.
More listening required to make sure my first impressions don’t fade over time.
In summary, most recordings seem a bit more “right” and the presentation is bigger but not exaggerated.
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The BHK 600’s are plugged into the PZ and happy. Short term, the price and performance of these amps, I feel, are the better value than the 333. Plus, you already have two great FPGA DAC’s. Why compromise with an integrated unless downsizing is in your future.
Either way, you will achieve greater system balance with the 1200’s on the chopping block.
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Since you are a power cord addict like me, have you considered the cost of 2 cords vs. 1? I mean current and future incredibly expensive ones that will hit the market in the years to come, no matter the brand.
I can already imagine also a rack much lower and wider, like that:
High shelf | PST | D333 | MU2
Low shelf | MK II | PZ 3 | Switches
Wife approved clean aesthetics, acoustically better solution, shorter cables…
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You’re not making this easy on me. But you’re right that with either amp (s), I will probably need new cord (s). Hmmm, lower rack too🤔
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If the power cables are more expensive per length than the speaker cables, the calculation is correct. Mono amplifiers require shorter speaker cables. I had this idea too. However, I didn’t realize that I would be spending so much money on expensive power cables.
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Good point. More cords equal more dollars. But, this 333 vs. 600’s is a bit academic until Donald can hear both. Reviews or our opinion will not tell the tale. Given how well the 600’s handle and sound with the FR 30’s, and there would be money left for one, possibly two, Stealth 2020 power cords, verses the 333, the choice seems more apparent. And you have 30 days to decide.
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Good point, too.
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Exactly!!! Sell the extra cable will cover the price difference. The 333 will be around for at least 10 years. The BHK 600’s could be on the chopping block (replaced) by the newer amp as early as next year. That may be the time to buy BHK 600’s after the new amp is released. That’s just my opinion. But like Donald said there is a lot of amps to be had!
When I sold my BHK 300’s the sale of my extra cable went towards the Diablo 300.
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Thank you both for making great points, and that made my decision harder😆. I’m pretty sure 600s will match FR30 nicely. I may need to visit a Gryphon dealer nearby for an audition (which I have not done in years). Well, I have time.
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