im planing buying best cheap quality turntable, and i wonder if it is any big difference in sound quality betwen project elemental and rega planar 1?
sad in this price level no many turntable can be upgrade so i can put in it, any cartridge and if possible that the player has removable RCA and power cables so you can upgrade 
Rega turntables are generally designed as complete units where all the components are perfectly matched. That goes throughout the range, up to the P10 which costs 20 times as much and you would only make it worse by changing it.
The Rega Carbon cartridge is designed to perform very well on the P1 and to be easy to replace, which is what beginners want. Also beginners donât change power and RCA cables.
For years there has been an after-market for improving Rega decks, but they are constantly improving them themselves, often during a product run.
So if you want to buy a Rega turntable for $500 and spend $300 on upgrades, you are much better off buying an $800 Rega turntable.
So if you try and upgrade a Rega you are missing the point.
The most popular Rega upgrades are to internal cabling and bearings, here:
The internal cable is vastly more important than the external cable anyway.
These are not mods to the RB110 arm anyway, only the RB202 and RB250.
Audio Origami make a world class arm of their own.
Thank you for the advice, i dont have a work now, so a Project elemental will take Me 2 month saving a rega 1 carbon takes Me 3 months, i guess i better have patience and wait for the regađ
Ps. Is it really Big difference in sound betwen these 2? Rega cost 350 euro Project elemental 200 euro
This is my sonâs turntable and amplifier.
He is very good at saving. He saved 4 years for his first guitar, he saved for this, he has a good job but is still vey careful. He is selling some of his valuable records that he does not listen to any more to buy new cheaper ones. He sells clothes, shoes, ⌠My younger son used to stand outside designer stores at 6am, get limited edition clothes, wear them and then sell them for more than he paid.
Two good rules - donât spend money you donât have and save for what you need.
My son has been very happy with this turntable for at least 5 years. The phono amplifier cost about $300 and is a hand-made 1980s classic. It was serviced and upgraded about 2 years ago for $150.
The Carbon cartridge costs ÂŁ27 (say $35 or $40) if you have to replace it.
There is a lot of discussion here of expensive hifi, but with a little care you can get good hifi very cheap. If you have to wait a few months, then wait.
Hereâs another bargain - I use them most of the time.
I agreed with you and your son (that is right in thoughts) when you have Little money is bettet to be carefull;
I also buy almost all used; i have all my Music lps and cds and many cloths used, i have a used rotel amp and used dac for only a new speakers, i go for the elemental pro-ject, so i can expand my lps , many lps cost Me used 2 dollars 
i have now like 40 vinyls;
Thank you very much and regards !!
Ps. When i have a jobb in the future i buy rega planar 2
Any Rega TT would be most recommended. A planar 3 would be a great start.
Personally I would go for a Rega Planar 1. I prefer the drive mechanism, the whole think has been perfected over decades.
I would probably only get an elemental if I had a solid turntable shelf to put it on, preferably the Rega one.
Whatever you choose, you could probably get one used but you wonât save much and you might be better saving for a new one. My sonâs was new.
I would only caution against going too cheap on your first table as then youâll want to upgrade very soon. I bought a new Rega P1 and then very quickly replaced with a used P5 and continued the upgrade path with lots of very good aftermarket goodies from Groovetracer in CA. Just recently replaced with used RP10 and this should be my end game table I hope.
@buho is on a very limited budget and wonât be upgrading anytime soon. My son has used one of these very basic $300 decks for 5+ years very happily, and the P1 should do that job fine, perhaps with a cartridge replacement for $40 every two years or so.
My speakers dealer is a big Rega dealer, heâs only about 30 miles from the factory, and considers most people could happily live with a Rega P3 on a wall mount or other solid base and never worry about turntables again. Itâs had over 40 years of development and still wins best in class on a regular basis.
https://www.whathifi.com/rega/planar-3-elys-2/review.
There was a market for improved bearings and counterweights, but most of these things are now included in standard models. The P10 bearing is a very fine piece of engineering and has a finely tuned low capacitance cable, and a fantastic cartridge, so I would never change a thing.
I have a final turntable, but if it dissolved in thin air Iâd get an P10 without a second thought.
As it happens, another big Rega dealer told me that the P8 sells much better than the P10 because it is much more affordable and relatively better value for money.
In the UK the Rega P8 with Alpheta 2 is cheaper than the Stellar Phono.
i tought about what you said about the elemental and solid turntable shelf; so what i did is that i bought for 20 dollars more the Pro-Ject Primary E
Morning all.
By a strange twist of events, I am now considering buying a turntable.
Range 200 - 500 max, so probably going to be a Rega P1 (their new walnut model looks rather nice).
I did look at the Fluance ones too, they do look quite nice, but the name makes me think of âflatulanceâ every time, so Iâm in two minds about that oneâŚ
This will be purely to be able to reliably play the existing very small collection of LPs I have, and will not be buying new âvinylsâ (as the young 'uns seem insistent on calling them) so I may yet change my mind, I really am not likely to use it that much, but itâs been fun researching available options,
The Rega PLanar 1 seems strange not having things to adjust (e.g. anti-skating) and the Fluance have such fiddly things.
Last turntable I bought was in 1980, a nice direct drive one with the strobe around the edge etc. but to get something decent in that line seems very expensive now, and very DJ-oriented.
Any other suggestions?
Thanks 
interesting, not too many around in the uk though
Considering your location, the Rega P1 is an excellent choice. If you can swing it a P3 is a nice step-up. Having a Rega Planar 8 I am most pleased with it.
This is new to me, a Planar 1 with an internal MM preamplifier.
Iâd go for one without the built in preamp - that would give me something to build (and I have a couple of options in the meantime for for listening) - I remember thinking back in the 80s though that it was a surprise more TTs didnât have built in pre, but then every integrated amp had the phone input at the time, was only in the late 90s they started to disappear
You might want to take a look at the Pro Ject Carbon Debut Evo. I bought one about 2 years ago and am quite content with it. Apparently it can be found on sale for 499.
Question: are low-priced turntable setups harder, or not, on vinyl records?
In view of tracking force, anti-skate, vertical tracking angle, and stylus tip
What might scrape away groove path more?
A couple months ago in this forum it was pointed out that vinyl pops/clicks go away once the stylus has cut/worn them awayâŚthus, styli and the forces on them are âlossyâ if and when they remove vinyl during play.
Thus, would a cruder turntable setup do this more, less, or the same as a $100,000+ TT setup?
The biggest reason why more expensive turntables wear out records less would be, because their owners take more care for proper setup and tracking force and because more expensive cartridges have less tolerances e.g. in azimuth.
A 10-15k cartridge has an azimuth (twisted glued in diamond) tolerance of about 1 degree. A 6k cartridge already has a tolerance of about 2-3 degree (which is huge).
Even if you align a cartridge perfectly, it will be wrong by the tolerance. But cheaper cartridges also have a more round diamond shape and are less sensible to alignment (but also have less resolution and focus).
in excess, a villain to be sure
The whole thing of records being delicate, and each play (theoretically) reducing the available information just a little bit, is why I was so pleased when CDs were available. I did the âaudiophileâ TT thing in the 80s - good fun, great sounds, but ultimately unsatisfying and I stopped using one as soon as I could.
Fast forward 30 / 40 years, and after a long break, I now have a HiFi setup I like, based on digital.
Something I can fettle and fiddle with to improve things using my electronics knowledge.
Not something I can do with a TT.
So if I get one, it will purely to be able to occasionally play the few records I have.
Any new release etc. I want would still be purchased on CD or download.
Thanks to everyone in this thread and the now spinning thread, I appreciate the input and opinions.
Iâve found a couple I like, so I am now in the âcooling off periodâ for a few days whilst I decide if I actually am going to buy it
