And my head hurts again. . . .
What a fountain of knowledge. 
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If i never learned anything about stereo equipment, this forum would be worth my time just to discover new artists. Thanks for the tip!!!
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Let us know what you think of Ms. Cassidy.
SEE
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I’m VERY impressed! She has a great voice and the music is just my cup of tea!
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Her repertoire is all over the map, which is one of the things that made her so accomplished and appealing to me.
Do you know who Len Gregory was ? I think I know who Galen Gareis is. But I also now who Len was and who Wyndham is.
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Know the physics and how it is used to arrive at a design. Physics is agnostic to who you are. No amount of relationships would have kept the building in Florida from collapsing. A better knowledge of civil engineering and physics would have.
We all have our favorite “general” who agrees with our choices. It won’t make better measuring cable immaterial to the trade but some justify their choices by agreement, not use. No problem but it does limit your in use knowledge base to follow someone else’s limits.
I chose to make the cable better because improvements in use won’t come without real measured design improvements. People can use them and decide how they fair against other cables. Now you can actually verify high spec cable’s in your system for free. Better, the copper is also isolated out to distill that attribute’s properties and if it is worth the quest to purchase.
Blue Jeans sells right alongside ICONOCLAST all the old guard Belden designs that are best for the dollar. Some want to try better spec than that but can’t find legit tested cables to do it with. We have those for trial and all the reasons supplied to you as to why they exist as they do and what’s different about them.
Why the sky is falling fear better measuring cables can be made and exist as long as the changes are REAL. The limits on cost are open ended to everyone and no one can judge where that line should be for everyone else. Why do we need you for that? Truth be told no one needs me for that. We use the product by itself in the end.
Most are biased to price. If ICONOCLAST was same as the old guard no one would hesitate to use the better measuring product. I sure wouldn’t. Why would you use worse cable at the same price? Cost is an immediate bias. I sense we have some of that here.
We can’t spend to the limits of tech on everything and best bang for the buck is a logical concession to OWNING products, but it does not define if a product should exist simply because it is above your world view on that particular product’s right to exist…in your view.
Look for legitimate use of design, not the limit of your spending allowance. Many things I can’t ever buy but I’m glad they are there to enjoy in this world of ours.
Best,
Galen Gareis
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If she hadn’t died so young, I think she would be a household name. I just discovered her recently and love her voice and style.
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If you have not already, listen to Night Bird all the way through.
It is a great live recording.
SEE
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Wonderful!!
I wouldn’t buy an equipment with bad measures.
But I’ll never buy an equipment based on good measures.
I know tens of cartridges that have a tremendous response curve (up to 100Khz) but doesn’t sound well.
I’m not the first who mentionned cost :
Blue Jeans Cable – Quality Cables at Reasonable Prices
(http://www.bluejeanscable.com/)
I don’t understand what you mean.
How ?
YOU call the bad Belden (I agree with that, Belden is far from being for Hi-Fi) worse. But I bet there are cables with lower measures that yours who sound better.
I don’t, my interconnect cables costs more than yours. I don’t know if they are better or worse as I haven’t heard yours. They were chosen with a violonist who had played the Beethoven violin (quite obvious lol) concerto backed by the Royal Concertgebouw Orchestra.
We’ll never understand each other. Enjoy your data, I enjoy the sound of my cables. Too bad your cables are not distributed in Europe : someone has made a comparison of a lot of interconnect cables and is still adding more.
And we’ll never know who is right : I have not the opportunity to listen to your cables, nor had you the opportunity to listen to mine (but I ready to ship them to you, same models, but a pair with RCA and one with XLR, nothing to loose on the contrary : may be you’ll find some flaws I haven’t noticed and I’ll pay attention to those when/if changing my interconnects).
I sincerely wish you the best with your cables and hope a lot of people will enjoy it. We disagree on the importance of measure but I think we’ll agree on the fact that the more people will enjoy your cables, the more they’ll get happiness from there music and the better it’ll be. Music is the best antidepressant.
Take care.
Kind Regards
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I was able to hear this. It’s why my main system is all RCA. I did have to do a bit of work to manage the noise on the grounds where the equipment wasn’t playing nice. I, nor PSA, have any idea why one BHK300 hums and the other doesn’t, but the solution was to either use XLR or drop the offending ground. I chose the latter.
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Jack,
First you say no one knows how cable works. Then you say true design is not important. Then you say someone else picks your cable? Why not just you?
I wasn’t being tricky…if a cable isn’t tested to be better based on true physics of a low frequency transmission line, how on earth do you trust anything about that product to even be better? Those “magic” parameters no one can test (seemingly to make them seem true like you mention) certainly are better riding on top of a superior design that is tested to what we do understand. Make sense?
I’m confused by your comments that the only thing that matters is if you like them. You’ve never user ICONOCLAST yet you deride their performance. Liking a product is DIRECTLY associated with their electrical parameters like that or not. Or every cable is the same using your logic. They don’t change day to day until the materials and electromagnetic geometry does. To change that to new values you do indeed know what you are doing.
If you use ICONOCLAST free for 30-days and you like it you can look at the tech papers to see WHY the design may provide a likeable sound. And, if other like spec cable’s may also be similar.
How to evaluate cable? Easy look for true measurements and design parameters that prove you are actually listening to different cables and do that, listen.
Belden standard cable isn’t bad, it is designed to maximize COST to performance ratio, and it does. No, I don’t agree Belden is bad, it isn’t as fully optimized, true. The data between standard product data and ICONOCLAST data shows that. The standard product Belden data supports the efficiency to reach cost standards for most people. All Belden cable is measured, ALL of them.
Cables sound better or worse than ICONOCLAST? This is meaningless. Everyone will decide a different “like” but it does not alter how a cable design reaches it’s general sonic pallet, the test data does and stays the same no matter your likes. Your argument of difference is pointless and you use the, “if I like it is all that matters argument” in your thread. ICONOCLAST stresses the ELECTRICAL method to make good cable and we say it over and over.
Like is all that matters but many customers want to know WHY a product even has a chance to be truly better and why before they buy, and many are curious after a purchase.
What possesses you to stomp in here and try to deride a product you’ve never used (we sell all across the globe), don’t even care about the price, have not taken one second to READ the tech, and thus use baseless claims against them? Then you push the argument into your victims lap? No, I don’t need to understand the tech YOU do. The argument is for you to solve.
ICONOCLAST has been reviewed by several top authorities and do just fine. They are listed in the ICONOCLAST page. Yes, ICONOCLAST is indeed made with design data. What other cables are and show how? Why is this truthful process so upsetting to you? Cable has to work to the requirements to reach the measurements promised. And you feel WE are lying or don’t understand what we are making? Sorry if real data is meaningless to you. That’s how it is made and that’s how ALL Belden cable is sold. It all about the data. Not important to you? Shop elsewhere but to say we are lying or are ignorant?
Another few hints on civil discourse;
Leave people and places in equal or better shape than when you arrive (are you really doing this on the site right now?).
Trust what people DO not what they SAY (we all shoot off our mouth at times but doing required the heart not emotion).
You are who you hang with (that audience promts your ethical and social behaviour).
I spend the time with you because I hope to help you reach better solutions on your own that make you happy. Doesn’t have to even involve our products but you can’t fairly treat anyone like you’ve been doing.
There are alternative ways to make cable than pure emotion. To use true EM engineering isn’t ignorant or lying. It is a different approach and one many have found to make truly good sounding cables.
Best,
Galen Gareis
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Thread cleaned up.
Back to our regularly scheduled programming.
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Youtube has some interviews with her bandmates that are fun to watch and learn more about her personality, et al. She did it her way!
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Thank you! Like beef I was running out of popcorn!
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Thank you for your patience and being fair with obstinate folks on these threads.
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Oh, did I miss all the fun?
What makes an interconnect specific for phono application?
Ron - I’m sure Galen can 'splain it fully, but y’know, ya got those eensy wires in the tonearm, and you don’t want to then smack them up against a big fat resistant line-level IC. So better ones - or ones more suited to the task - tend to be made of finer wire and have (in some cases) specs dependent on the type and output level of cart you’re using.
On paper, the 1x Icono RCAs approach this sort of spec, but I didn’t find them to work very well in my rig. I’m sure if Galen put his mind to it he could cobble something together.
VPI makes their own, which are not uber cables in any sense, but which outperform a “better” standard IC cable in the application. I’m liking these at the moment:
https://audiosensibility.com/blog/products-2/phono-cables-occ-copper-and-occ-silver/#!/Signature-Silver-RCA-to-RCA-Phono-Cable/p/41522768/category=3749226
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