Cable Sutra - Whisper Power Cord, Common Ground Cables

Hey @flowcharts - Yep, it is flexo anti-stat, formerly known as flexo conductive. The conductivity is interesting- there is too much resistance at DC to get a connection when you probe either side. So it’s not conductive the way any tinned copper braid would be. However it’s composed of carbon particles suspended in monofilament, which can block EMI while also absorbing it. Its affect on RF has been more of a revelation in my R&D than in theory, because it’s not a typical low impedance path for RF. But like @Vmax noticed as I did, when the sleeve is tied to ground either at one end or both (in the case of Furutech NCF connectors the connector body is tied to earth so both sides are tied) - I do both, I’m not sure if Vmax is doing that too - we hear a clear improvement. Is it now a faraday cage? I suppose it would be if it was actually conductive. But it isn’t, not exactly.

I’ve been experimenting tying the sleeve and connector body and hardware to ground for a while, and it’s now standard for the Whisper Elite model. That was a no brainer with some quick A/B listening against a similar cable with the same hours.

Just one caution- don’t use the sleeving on small signal cables. Power and speaker cables, definitely. It seems to rob the sound when put on my interconnects.

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This is amazing, thanks. It’s so rare to see a vendor this open about sharing info. I’d ordered a length of 3/8" with the intention of testing on external dc cables and my server’s internal power & sata cables. I’ll have to pick up the appropriate size for some power cable testing too.

My first (uneducated, knee-jerk) thought, especially if you’re tying to ground, is that this sounds similar in concept to some ground boxes that use conductive & semi-conductive elements to absorb and dissipate RF – I think carbon powder is a pretty common ingredient here in the form of activated charcoal.

I am just doing a connection to ground at male plug. So really an RF drain. The RF will drain to lowest impedance ground. So IEC is only of value to connect ground for redundancy purpose if male connection is broken in theory. But i would think the carbon EMI sleeve not the best conductor so it is probably draining RF through IEC and down the power cord ground some of the RF through power cord’s internal RF ground drain.

But even just one end connection to ground is a huge and noticeable improvement.

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I run all Gotham DC cables in my streaming chain. The half in 3M AB7050HF at LPS seems pretty effective and perhaps cheaper than EMI sleeve. But there is lots to learn so please share your experience. Were you going to ground sleeve to your LPS case or just let it dissipate EMI?

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Alright, here’s my convoluted experience, with classic lack of any decent methodology:

I originally bought the anti-stat with the hopes of putting together a decent budget SATA data cable. My server’s fanless, powered by an HDPlex 800w, Nenon v3 LPS, Jcat USB XE, Neotech internal wiring, linear powered library ssd, all that fun stuff. I wasn’t ready to shell out for a multi-hundred dollar sata cable, so I found a few nicely-specced amphenol & 3m cables that claimed to have 26awg copper conductors, gold plated contacts, etc. When they arrived, none were the claimed specs. They all sounded worse than my 26awg no-name cable, so the project got set aside.

Using the anti-stat on dc cables came about after upgrading an HDPlex 200W (powering Jcat USB XE & library ssd) to a Plixir Elite BDC. When the HDPlex came out of the system, it’s accompanying 1m Gotham DC cable got cut in half to make two .5m cables, the first half replacing the stock dc cable running from a Ferrum Hypsos to Singxer SU-6. After letting the Plixir burn in, the stock cable powering the SSD also got switched to a Gotham – I was surprised at the improvement on that change in particular. Both cables went in with the anti-stat on though; I haven’t tested with/without.

I’d like to test grounding these cables, but this is kind of where I throw another variable in – I put together a couple of cheap ground boxes that were more or less based on this recipe on Audiogon. The first of these got connected to the server’s LPS ground post, and the Jcat USB XE’s unused USB port. The ground cables for this one were just a 16awg strand of pvc neotech & one of the unused 30awg sata cables, really just whatever was on hand. This gave some pretty mind blowing results as far as sub bass response, tonal richness & tangibility. The second box is connected to my DAC’s AES ground, but I still have to test to see if this is the best place. It’s ground cable is just two runs of 16awg stranded Neotech, and I don’t think that’s anywhere near an optimal wire guage. So the next step here is to put together some more appropriate multi-gauge ground cables.

Once I get the cable geometry and component connections dialed in, I’ll look at coming back to grounding anti-stat sleeving. It’ll be interesting to see if there’s any difference connecting them to mains ground vs a ground box.

crap. writing all this out reminds me that the monster aggregate ~9awg speakon cable connecting LPS to server is probably a good anti-stat candidate, and that could ground directly to the LPS’s chassis ground post.

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I think my bubble wrap needs viagra to hold it in place. Suffering shrinkage. What size is small bubble wrap. Seems with amp heat the bubble wrap loses its grip.

I used my last base Whisper Duncan Tweaked with anti stat and ground burn with a RF drain copper tape to ground pin on the DS also added a Sorbothane vibration isolator to cord like I did on the Elite Whisper

Best cable yet on my modified DS.

One more Whisper Power Cord l tweak left. Going to make a suspension isolator bridge for the amp Whispers. I aded the RF Drains but the tuning rings need better support to stop them from sliding.

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Here’s my telescoping height adjustable solutions I plan to try as a heavy cable support at the Power Cord tuning rings positions. It will also solve gravity pulling the male plug from the P20 High Current duplex and with sorbothane sheet layer, I add provide vibration isolation of the power cord. I need at least 7 inches of height for the high current P20 duplex

I am going to use the longer one to support the AQ Dragon HC male plug in the bottom Duplex outlet.

At 13.0 inches and telescoping it will work perfectly for wall duplex support.

Hopefully These will solve issue’s I have seen with bass getting sloppy as the prongs back out over time as well as movement of tuning rings with heatand vibration.

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Clever. I like clever. It’s one of my favorite traits.

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Tired of the drooping big power cords I thought of home built solution but the already pre-buil black paint ant ability keep cords from lateral and vertical movements. Might have to cut clamp bolts with Dremel for best look. Luckily the tuning ring positioning is far enough back cable can be arced left or right.l for upper and lower duplex usage.

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Getting ready to test out the server umbilical cable with anti-stat & a drain wire. Nothing too crazy, just swapped out standard techflex for a cotton sleeve, ran the anti-stat over that, and have some 28awg Neotech silver attached to the end nearest the power supply ground post. Should be fun. It’s aggregate ~9awg Neotech copper, and carries about 37-38 volts unregulated dc.

Got enough to treat a couple power cables as well, but one change thing at a time (for once!).

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Really early impressions - things seem a bit more 3d and tangible. Also a small improvement in impact and tonal density. The binding post the drain wire is connected to also has one of my ground boxes attached.

I’ll be curious to see if the small run of OCC silver and Furutech Nano Liquid on the wire & connector causes any change over time as they settle-- it certainly did when used on the ground box wires. At some point the minutiae has to no longer be audible…

Thanks again for sharing & being so open about the recommendation.

Agreed. I’ve had to replace my bubble wrap. Still haven’t landed on the perfect material, but perhaps a few wraps of non adhesive open cell foam… something with lots of air in it which can grab on the sleeving and push out against the tuning collar. I do like the idea of the collar spaced perfectly around the cable.

I would love to see some pictures of these sleeve/collar contraptions, @Duncan_Taylor and @Vmax.

If you are willing to share…

Cheers.

@flowcharts Awesome explorations with this stuff, thanks for sharing!

9awg is big— do you know how much current needs to travel that line? I love that you’re going silver neotech and 28ga for the drain. You’re thinking about RF there. So that is going to a ground box? Interesting, and maybe more effective than sending RF through the normal ground route, assuming the box presents a lower impedance.

I wonder if you could add a small gauge bypass to the ground, keep the bigger gauge for current but offer RF a more attractive pathway to your house earth as well as the obvious path to the grounding box. I’m sure it couldn’t hurt anything, and who knows, it could attract different frequencies based on RF resonance and other factors. So you’re just adding a second pathway and making it attractive to RF too. You could use the same neotech wire, and remember that it’s got Teflon, so it needs a lot of burning in. In my house I would blast the ground wires with some high wattage high frequency noise for a few days using an amp and a dummy resistor load. But waiting 500 hours works too, just not quite as well. :wink: Or maybe you make that a bare wire underneath the sleeving and reduce the need for “forming” against a dielectric. Just some ideas.

Gotta say, I hadn’t seen that grounding box DIY project. Thanks for the link. That is a tempting looking rabbit hole! I think I’m going to have to try it.

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@Duncan_Taylor I haven’t measured the PC’s power draw, but it’s a 65w TDP processor that averages 30-40w during standard music playback. I went big (and used Speakon) to minimize resistance as much as “reasonably” possible. There was a nice uptick in SQ going from 14awg in 9 in this use case.

The RF drain on the Unregulated LPS cable goes to a ground post on the LPS that’s connected internally to mains ground with 12awg neotech copper, and externally to a ground box via ground wire. I think we’re on the same page here, but let me know if you’re suggesting something else.

Switching gears, I’ve been slowly adding anti-stat to all my cables. I’ve done Neotech NEP-3001, a Furutech DPS 4.1, and a few Neotech NEP-3002 (my system mostly uses these). Connectors are a mix of Furutech, Viborg 512 variants, and a couple other randoms.

Today, I decided to knock out a length of NEP-3002 using an iteration of these Connex plugs. and I had a two-birds-one-stone duh moment. The entire housing, cable clamp, and screws that hold the connectors onto the housings are conductive/connected. I’m already running an extra drain wire from ground onto the Anti-Stat. If I make sure the drain wire hits the metal cable clamp, I’ve more or less emulated Furutech’s floating field damper and attached the housing to ground with very little effort. (@Vmax you’re already doing a version of this, right?) Taking it one step further, I let the drain wire extend past the connector housing, and attached a 2mm banana input on both the male & IEC sides. That allows for experimenting with connecting to a ground box from either side (I’m starting with the IEC side).


I’ve paused messing with ground cable construction, and neglected making decent-looking versions.

@flowcharts Good stuff! About the umbilical, I’m curious if there is any difference between the 14ga and 9ga other than size. The 9ga will offer more conductor versus dielectric. But wow, 9 gauge is really big when you have it in hand. Are you using stranded or solid? I’ve heard mythical results claimed for Mundorf’s expensive silver/gold wire used for DC umbilicals, and that’s my plan for an upcoming LPS cable to my USB reclocker. Intrigued by your observations though, and curious to hear more.

Your power cable looks awesome. My research has shown that proper shunting of conducted (from the ground pin of IEC on components) RF to earth ground is > the effect of diverting to ground boxes. For example I have a customer who returned an expensive grounding box after a Whisper cable rendered it ineffective. The reason was that every bit of the multiple elements of the ground leg on the Whisper is optimized for RF transmission, including and especially the terminations. I have another customer who used SR cables with drain wires going to a ground post on their conditioner, and the Whisper proved quite superior. This is because the live and neutral geometries, metal, and dielectrics of the Whisper are better, and the RF paths are very low impedance and not hindered by external connectors whose impedance may be prohibitive or could modulate some RF frequencies in the worst case. The best channel for RF ended up being the ground of the Whisper. Instead of elongating or complicating the path for RF, it made things simple for the myriad uber high frequencies present.

I am not knocking the drain approach, to be clear. I’ve just found that the ideal ground path of the cable does 80-90% of the lifting, and the drain or drains, while effective, are fairly narrow in their RF effectiveness. This is because a drain being an antenna is receptive to specific frequencies, while a ground path of a power cable receives everything produced by a component or picked up by its chassis, so it’s much wider in bandwidth. Of course as audiophiles we treasure every percentage point, so that’s why I think you should rethink the cable in addition to the work you’re doing with the drain and outer jacket.

In a typical bulk power cable, the traditional double shield of aluminum and tinned copper sleeving will block a lot of RF, but is it a good pathway for RF? Is it a good RF antenna? It certainly needs to be to deal with what’s coming from the component, which is far, far more than what might be conducted by the cable in the room. That kind of shield is heavily influenced by the dielectric next to it, and on a durable bulk power cable that’s likely to be PVC or something with a high dielectric constant. The leg of the power cable that is most likely to carry HF energy that would be absorbed into a dielectric is closest to the worst dielectric on the cable. Not good. In this case, having a drain to a box or to a post on a strip will help, no question. But it’s like putting lipstick on a pig a little bit. It’s a better approach to remake the ground for both its primary duty of safety current conduction, and secondary job of RF transmission. And, in my opinion, to continue to focus on every single element of every leg in the same way, thinking about what each needs. Then the drain schemes and external boxes will produce those last few percentage points, if they’re also done right.

Cheers! Just as anywhere in audio, with power cable design, “everything matters” if you’re going for ultimate performance. I’m a big fan of those connectors, as you can imagine. :beers:

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I am only draining RF through the male plug ground prong of the anti-stat shield. My engineering reason was why drain collection of antenna RF closer to neutral and ground wires and alsi introduce it to case ground of upstream components? Your ground boxes are interesting but all ground will drain to lowest impedance connection to ground. Is that your ground box or the ground in your main electrical panel. It woull be nice to have an impedance meter to measure milliohms of both pathways. In the least it is overkill.

I did like @Duncan_Taylor last post. He can start teaching college courses with his research and self study knowledge as well as he still builds a great power cable and mever stops pushing the boundaries of what might further improve it.

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@Duncan_Taylor I am in the process of finalizing a DAC order and I’m curious what your recommendation is for a power cable for said DAC.

I know in some lines there are “high current” PCs and “source” PCs. Not sure if you have an equivalent, and if you recommend the good Furutech connectors and grounding for those.

Thanks!

Hey Mike,

I definitely have a take on the current debate regarding power and low/regulated draw versus high current unregulated draw. I’ve spoken about this on the podcast - that every DAC I’ve tested my cables with (10 or so?) the Whisper Elite does markedly better. Yes it’s 1 gauge thicker than the standard (9 versus 10) on the live and neutral, but I believe it is 90% about the grounding scheme and 10 or less to do with current capacity. The DACs are regulated, drawing what- 50 watts at most? However I have built a Standard cable using twice the silver on the ground, with a twist in the doubled bypass, and performance wasn’t quite as good as with the Elite using thicker gauge and double the silver.

I’ve done enough A/B with various arrangements of the silver elements, and to my ears, that is where the magic lies.

Sources are quite sensitive to RF influence, especially digital ones, and especially anything working with Ethernet and streaming. Because this cable prioritizes RF shunting (in reality prioritizing many things, but the RF emphasis is unique among competing cables), the priority list for best use is loosely this: a) wall to conditioner/regenerator; b) LPS for modem; c) LPS for switch; d) server/streamer; e) DAC; f) amplifier/preamplifier.

From listening, I am sure that the top of the line Furutech connectors we used for your first cable have to do with the level of bass impact and solidity you heard, as well as more focus in the middle and on the extreme soundstage width. I’d always recommend those if you’re getting a custom cable.

Congrats on the upcoming new DAC! Keep me posted. :beers:

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