I’ve also heard it both ways. I have this niggling recollection that there is some history to the Time Out releases about channels being reversed at some point and then changed in later releases. If so, and since the HDTT release is from a source tape “very close to the master,” I’m wondering if this HDTT release matches the first stereo releases (from the time of Bob’s source tape). Then at some point someone decided the original mastering had been reversed and all the later releases (which include all the digital reissues I have, plus my rip of the Classic Record 45) all followed that decision.
I don’t have an early stereo LP release anymore, so I can’t compare. Anyway, I’ve emailed Bob and perhaps he’ll have some knowledge of the various masterings over the years to share.
Hmmm, I can’t hear this, but it would not surprise me given the age of the tape. Hard to avoid. And the only way to fix it would be to move the transfer into DXD for some surgery, and that transfer into DXD would destroy the magic of the rest of the album.
In the spirit of owning at least three copies of Time Out. This is what happens to you when you’re on a search for one copy that sounds good enough to stop searching.
I just played the first two tracks and it sounds totally broken here. I had to stop it. Bah. Everything else I play sounds stunning. Odd. I should put the LP on and see if it is what I am hearing or imaginary. Pass.
Just received an email from HDTT with a link to the corrected version. Downloading it now. From the email - “During processing the files the channels got reversed, this update will fix that”
Yes, all purchasers should now have received this email and a link to download the corrected files. For any new purchasers, these corrected files are now what are available from the website. Enjoy!
My review of this Pure DSD256 release of Time Out from HDTT is finally up at Positive Feedback, so I’ve staked out my thoughts. If anyone is interested in taking a look, you can find the review here.
I’ve also included some backstory about why this was such an impactful album on release.
Great review! I’m sure it’s the best digital version.
For the vinylists:
I also had the single sided Classic Records 45 RPM at the time but then got the Clarity single sided 45 and then the AP 45, which indeed is good to have as its slightly less prominent treble is a little nicer on some tracks while on others the CR is still great.
My marks on the backsides mean, the AP is a little more 3D and richer, the Classic more dynamic and with more open or louder top end. Differences are small as they both are 3 track sourced Grundman remasterings but I guess done with slightly chamged gear.
Would be interesting some time later how the DSD256 HDTT compares.
These two 45rpm vinyl releases are terrific. I haven’t heard the AP, but the CR I had was very nice indeed. Did the AP use the original CR metal work in their Clarity pressing process or did they remaster?
It’s obvious you know your stuff and are an ex vinyl guy As far as I know this one was newly remastered and it sounds so.
I didn’t find out about the reason why Chad partly uses the metal parts and partly not on those CR rereleases by Grundman. He’s the only one who can answer my questions and he’s not always willin‘ For a few examples I know if it’s parts used or not.
For example I have the Clarity 45 sets of Holly Cole (Tenptation and Don’t smoke in bed). I recently tried the AP 45 also by Grundman and it sounded so much better that I also ordered the AP Temptation 45 set (not delivered yet). So here he can’t have used the metal parts, too.
Chad also had singleminded of the new Bill Evans box records by KG while the rest is from the metal parts of SH/KG. Shows that there might be problems with certain metal parts possible in some cases.
Another strange example is the new Miles KOB UHQR 45. It’s told to be from the old metal parts (which it mostly is). But I also have the old CR 45…and side 1 of it has a different cutting area than the UHQR. So there must have been different old metal parts. Chad seems to keep a few secrets
Well, the metal parts do wear out. I loved those 45s. They have a special sound that gets closer to the openness and air of reel-to-reel tape. What I found interesting was that not all listeners heard what I heard. And in visiting the listening rooms of some friends it became evident that differences in turntables/arms made a difference in whether the 45rpm would shine as I heard it in my system. Never did parse out “the why” of this, however.
Sure, turntables/arms do their thing. My tonearm changed everything. Much more differences audible and quality of recordings apparent, 3D and air, bass. And the Triplanar I had before was not the worst but destroyed by the AS soundwise (all other things being equal)
I’ve also heard it both ways. I have this niggling recollection that there is some history to the Time Out releases about channels being reversed at some point and then changed in later releases. If so, and since the HDTT release is from a source tape “very close to the master,” I’m wondering if this HDTT release matches the first stereo releases (from the time of Bob’s source tape). Then at some point someone decided the original mastering had been reversed and all the later releases (which include all the digital reissues I have, plus my rip of the Classic Record 45) all followed that decision.
