Innuos Zenith mk3

CDMCM-210 is the Bridge II
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Innuos will show up anything on your network. My Roon devices show from my computer like this:

There are a few usb devices connected, like my Plantronics headphones that obviously don’t show an IP address.

There are two ā€œRoon Readyā€ devices connected (Devialet and Bluesound), one not connected (it’s an Aries my son uses by Spotify only).

Chromecast attached to our TV shows up as ā€œRoon Testedā€.

Various other devices on the network (that are switched on, others are not) can be connected over the network and show both the IP address and the method of connection.

So the Devialet can be connected Roon Ready, by Airplay or Devialet Air, and they all show the same IP address (obviously). I could send Roon to my son’s Aries by Airplay.

Roon advise only ever to make one Roon connection to each device at a time.

So Roon gives all the information you need and I think you need to remove the ethernet cable from your bridge.

The best thing to do is disable all Roon devices and reconnect them one at a time.

Ok, but when I disconnected the ā€œConnected to Coreā€ DSJnr player, nothing played? Is that because I need to find the ā€œplayerā€ for the USB connection?

I’ve only ever connected my DSJnr via ethernet, which in general has just worked.

The point about the dCS Network Bridge is that you can use it with any DAC so I’d be interested to know how the sound quality compared between the complete Bel Canto stack and using the dCS Network Bridge feeding the Bel Canto DAC.
I bought a dCS Network Bridge to replace the PS Audio Bridge II and it gave a significant SQ improvement when using the PS DirectStream DAC.

Keeping this thread alive… I’ve recently ordered an UpTone EtherRegen (on its way) to put upstream of my DS Bridge II, AND, as it happens, I’ve just ordered an Innuos Zenith Mk III, which I will run as a Roon Core or conceivably Roon endpoint (if my very old music server doesn’t finally die). Should be an interesting comparison.

And yes, you in the audience, very good, there are indeed multiple configurations I could run with this new pile o’ gear. I’ll report back. My prediction for best SQ: my wall port > EtherRegen > Innuos > Curious USB > DS (Bridge removed). But don’t quote me on that.

I recently inquired of Innuos and received this response which may be of interest:
Hi Joe,
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A server with a Phoenix will be better than the next model without.
The mini is a bit apart, it has less processing power so it will be a bit slower than the others… But it has a lot of connectivity options (built in DAC, SPDIF outputs…)
The power supply upgrade improves mainly the SPDIF and analog outputs.
The Phoenix vastly improves the USB output.

Zen and Zenith if used as network servers (connected to the Ethernet socket only) will be very similar.
On the USB output, Zenith will sound better because of its better power supply, better vibration isolation and SSD drive.
But the Zen with a PHoenix will sound better than a Zenith without…

Please let us know if you require any further assistance.

Thank you!Ƃ Best regards.
Ƃ
Emmanuel Le Quere
North America Sales Manager

hi all am late to the party

new innuos zenith mk3 owner here interested in the performance tweaks have read, have upgraded power cable, interested in advice on the following

ā€˜Synergistic Research BLUE Quantum Fuse in the Zenith. I’ve also used cera-disc isolation feet from plinth design’

tempted by the Synergistic Research orange Quantum Fuse (what fuse does it take and did it really make a difference???) and cannot find where i can buy the cera-disc isolation feet

appreciate any pointers in getting the best out of it

thanks :smile:

Assuming you’re a Roon user, the best performance tweak I found was using experimental mode Roon core. Noticeable SQ improvement and best of all it comes at no additional cost.

Excellent comparison.

Kridon Panteli, office@plinth-design.com is the owner of the company that makes the cera-disc isolation footers. His website (www.plinth-design.com) seems to be ā€œblankā€ at the moment so I hope his business hasn’t been a victim of coronavirus shutdowns.

As to fuses, Synergistic Research seem to be well regarded but it is an emotive subject. How can a fuse be directional when it is accepting an AC current is the neighsayers first question? I have a Blue in the Zenith and my stereo amplifier and an Orange in the Farad PSU for my Chord M-Scaler. I think it makes a difference, as does Mattijs de Vries who owns Farad and Pink Faun but I may also have confirmation bias. It is in the electrical signal path, just like a decent power cable.

As to decent power cables, even Nuno Vitorino of Innuos is on record as accepting (and promoting) the improvement they make. If you have experience of other cords in your system that work well with your power distribution unit and mains supply then I’d stick with them. In the UK there seem to be price bands of circa Ā£100/Ā£300/Ā£500 that have noticeable performance differences. Of course, Ā£2,000+ power cords are available…

I’d try a mid range power cord, then some isolation feet (the default Innuos feet are not bad at all but can be improved upon) and then the fuse as the 3rd option. If you use the USB out of your Zenith to feed a DAC I can thoroughly recommend the Innuos PhoenixUSB reclocker - it made an amazing difference to my system.

One more thing…

Part of the not so secret ā€œsecret sauceā€ of Innuos servers is their Linear Power Supplies which are now designed by Dr Sean Jacobs. These have oversized toroidal transformers, just like the DirectStream Senior DAC. Now it is a commonly held belief that you need 500 hours on the DirectStream before it really opens up and I still found improvement at up to 700 hours. While the Innuos might not require quite as long it does improve its ā€œrelaxed feelingā€ over time. So if you’ve just got your server give it a while to run in.

Well, two more things actually…

Also, if you are a Roon user then using Roon Experimental Mode whereby the local Innuos player is used as a pseudo SqueezeLite player with in memory playback really makes a difference. With Innuos 1.4.4 firmware the stability of this option has improved a lot as well.

thanks ianO really appreciate the pointers

just gone with a MCRU no.75 mk2 mains cable for the minute (am big chord fan so suspect may drop some more £ on a signature chord power one down the line

found the cera-disc on line at ebay, at £150 / 4 is pretty damned reasonable so may just take a punt on them at that price now found them

also got experimental mode on now aswell :slight_smile:

will leave it a few weeks and maybe take a punt on the orange fuse (any idea what size/rating you used on your innuos?)

cheers,

mat

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Coincidentally also bought my fuses from David Brook @ MCRU - good guy.

Some people like to increase the amperage to avoid very expensive fuses going pop - I did annoyingly blow one on a Keces P8 PSU I had for a previous ā€œhomebrewā€ Intel NUC based Roon server. However that was due to me excessively plugging / unplugging the PSU from the server when trying to fix a problem one day (and also one of the factors that drove me headlong into a turnkey solution like the Innuos)…

My personal preference from an electrical safety standpoint is to match OEM fuse supplied with whatever I’m upgrading.

just been reading the fuse info and apparently they are directional… (i know my NAIM gear also has this same level of madness for which way round a fuse goes in its holder) did you put yours a certain way round in the carrier OR just tried it both ways ??

cheers for your help

To be honest, when I originally fitted it I just kept the writing on the fuse edge in the same direction. Then later on, I read up on this directionality ā€œconceptā€ and swapped them round. I could not tell a difference. So I don’t know if a) I got lucky first time b) using it one way for a while forced directionality c) there is no difference as a fuse is in the AC current path and that changes directionality 50 times a second in the UK…

cheers ianO do wonder if i am starting to go mad at this point am looking forward to seeing what your suggested tweaks do to the zenith mk3

mat

thought would report back on my tweaking of the zenith mk3

cera-discs wow, nice difference they made for £150 lowered noise floor took some digital harshness away and gave an overall less fatiguing more natural sound (fared better with these than more expensive Qplus ones for fraction of cost) planning to get more of these for my other naim gear

found cera-discs best using all 4 one in front of each of the 3 feet and the 4th at the front underneath the SSD drive

the MCRU no.75 mk2 (752) cable again made a nice difference bass more punchy and again improvement in clarity overall has worked well with above cera-discs

conclusion zenith obviously quite sensitive to vibration and mains borne noise/vibration

as a result of above have now ordered the orange fuse (can’t believe actually spent that on a fuse but will see what it brings)

Hello Steven,
I am sitting on the fence for a Zen or Zenith MK3 to replace my MacMini Roon Core.
I’m taking your comments on Zen vs Zenith into consideration. Thanks for your insights.
However, I had planned to connect the Zen/Zenith directly to my Stellar Gain Cell DAC (SGCD) and shorten the path by eliminating my Pro-Ject Streambox S2 Ultra.

In reading this thread I’m not so sure anymore that:

  1. this will work. Will Roon ā€œseeā€ the SGCD? It is not Roon ready. Or might it work in the Roon/Squeeze light experimental mode?
    And if it works, then
  2. Is direct connection the best option? Would it be better to connect the Zen(ith) to the Streambox (via AQ Cinnamon RJ45) and from there via USB (AQ Cinnamon) to the SGCD.

Looking forward to your input.

I’m sorry I can’t help. I bought it specifically for Roon after Devialet Expert went Roon Ready in February 2019. Plus I can connect it to the Devialet Expert using a direct $10 ethernet connection.

It has a very good usb output with its own dedicated LPS and there are other control options that you can put on Zen machines, but not Roon Nucleus, and send to your DAC by usb.

If I had a non-Roon DAC I would probably go for the dCS Bridge and a SSD QNAP as the Roon Core connected by AES/EBU.

My choice was made after a very helpful discussion with the Innuos Technical/Sales manager in the UK.

The DAC doesn’t have to be a Roon DAC if you use a Zen or Zenith running as a Roon core or a Roon endpoint and connect the Innuos to the DAC.

Experimental mode would also work but isn’t necessary.

Innuos->usb->DAC is all that’s needed.