@Gary_M - I A/Bed a D2000T, don’t need the D6000T (6 plugs), just one needed… the reference to the D6000T is if I swapped the P20 straight up.
Answer - I placed the D200T in front of the P20 and then removed it… 3X… to see if it sounded better w/ the D2000T…
The comparison I was particularly interested in was D2000T vs P20, each on their own.
@Brodric - yes, @straightwire did a straight up comparison he might like to share. The results are posted. I was more interested in the synergy of the two products.
Just looked up the price on the Magico Q-Sub.
$36,000
Yeah, that’s for the QSUB-18. And some people have a pair of them 
But, if you buy a pair, the Magico tech’s usually come and install and calibrate them for free 
The Professor on AS owns two pair.
Also lots of people there with a pair of QSUB-15.
I just connected the SSUB to my network (I have 53 network ports, 51 of which are now occupied!). The network enabled DSP controller for the sub-woofer is way cool! It’s OEM manufactured by ALLDSP in Germany, here is a link to their website:
https://www.alldsp.com/software.html
There’s a video of the GUI showing the AllControl configuration tool. A tweakers delight!
It also does real-time status monitoring of the sub-woofer amplifier module.
I’m pretty sure this is the OEM DSP I/O processor module used in SSUB and QSUB:
I’ve just finished reading through this thread - a great in depth story about @Brodric 's experience with Magicos and many other things. Like some others, though, I’ve never really been too bowled over by the sound of Magicos (with some exceptions), although in my case my experience has been limited to listening to them at shows. At the last AXPONA I listened to every room that had Magicos and could say I liked only one - I’m pretty sure they were the S3 Mk.2. I liked that one, and a number of years ago at RMAF Magico was exhibiting a special setup in a different hotel on some upper floor. Those were the S7. Otherwise I felt Magicos (again at audio shows) did not sound as tonally realistic as other similarly priced speakers. In my case I found Von Schweickerts and YGs to sound better to my ears - although I didn’t really care for the YG Ventures that I heard in April.
Which leads me to my question for @Brodric . Have you had any opportunity to hear any similarly priced YG in a scenario that would give you some opinion next to your M6 (or M3)?
My Magico dealer is also the national YG Acoustics distributor. I think he sells a lot more Magico than YG. I did contemplate buying YG Hailey many years ago, but in the end I opted for Wilson Sophia V3. Then I got on the Magico train, sold my Wilson Sophia and bought Magico S3. Sold those and bought Magico Q3. I’m still trying to sell those but in the meantime bought Magico M3. I’ve been happy with all of them.
I’ve never been to an audio show so I have no idea how show conditions with Magico speakers compare to the in-home experience. I find when people come here to listen to my Magico whatever, they tend to stay a while and, without exception, are pleased with the presentation. I don’t think anybody has come and gone within two hours when they come for a listen.
As you’ve discovered, S3Mk2 is the sweet point in the Magico range.
Thanks @Brodric . IMO at this last AXPONA the new Hailey 2.2 bettered just about everything else I heard in the big money range, except the Von Schweickert Ultra 11. I actually thought the V-S Endeavor E-3 MkII was the best bang for the buck that I heard.
Correction to my above - the new YG speaker that was introduced at AXPONA is called Vantage, not Venture. Still didn’t care for it. Never really been a fan of Wilson speakers, except for the Alexia Mk.II driven by D’Agostino gear.
I’d be curious to hear what aspects of what you heard drove each of your selections.
I didn’t hear or see any of them before I bought them. The first time I saw any of them was when they landed at my front door. Same goes for all my wires and electronics and other gizmos. Everything was bought sight unseen, sound unheard.
You have a way of doing things I can only imagine! Still, you’ve lived with each of the choices you made. Choices most of us will likely not be able to duplicate. I for one would be curious as to your impressions of each even if by way of comparison one to another.
I also buy my cars without taking them for a test drive first 
I try to find positives in all the speakers I’ve owned.
My best value for money speaker ever vote goes to Definitive Technology BP10. Only thing not to like about them is a very high center of gravity and narrow base, easy to knock over and required a DIY solution to fix that.
The most revelatory listening experience speaker ever vote goes to Coincident Technology Pure Reference Extreme. The first time I heard Cold Play Amsterdam on these speakers was terrifying (Will Champion backing vocals came from behind me!). What’s not to like about this speaker is they were dog ugly, with low tech wooden veneer particle board cabinets stuffed with cheap foam.
Wilson Audio Sophia v3 was a good all-round performing speaker, but ported speakers are not a good fit for smaller listening spaces, and the speaker binding posts were rubbish.
Magico S3. The last speaker I thought I’d ever own.
Magico Q3 on SPODS. Also the last speaker I thought I’d ever own.
Magico M3 on MPODS. The last speaker I’ll probably ever own. Or maybe not. Certainly the best looking. And certainly the most expensive, for marginal improvement over Q3 (and almost double the price of YG Hailey 2.2).
Finally, every speaker I’ve ever heard demo’d in a dealer show room was rubbish. Except for Magico M-Pro.
Yes, I have hesitation regarding ported speakers. I’m in the last couple of years of work-life, hopefully soon to transition to retired life. I’m trying to figure out if I should make a “hopefully final” speaker purchase while I still have funding at my disposal (I know, you don’t think that way 
). But I’m guessing in a new residence I will have more limited space to deal with the placement of my system, so I’m tending to shy away from ported designs - just to lower the chance of having speaker placement issues. Takes Von Schweickerts and Rockports out of the picture. 
Two of the best sounding systems I’ve ever heard had Von Schweikert and Rockport speakers.
One system had the Von Schweikert Ultra 9’s, and the other Rockport Cygnus. Both were set up in large rooms.
Do Von Schweikert build their own ceramic drivers, or do they use Accuton?
I don’t think they build their own, but I do believe they have some of their drivers custom built to their specs by Accuton, and perhaps some other manufactures as well.
Yes, I agree @Gary_M, and that’s what has me hesitant to include these lines on my list. I think these two companies make among the best music I’ve heard coming out of speakers (as opposed to live 
). But placement to get these to sound their best will likely be compromised in a smaller living environment that almost certainly will come when I find my next home.
Hi Brodric
stupid question, where did u get the wrench set to unscrew the Magico caster wheel/spike??
somehow my kit doesn’t fit. is there a special size that Magico uses?
thanks