The photos don’t lie. The photos represent what most regenerator owners already know, that they improve audio and video quality. There are no variables at play. Same aperture. Same shutter speed. Same distance. Same angle. Same camera. Same lighting (only the tv). The big difference is either powered by a P12 or not powered by a P12.
This covers the variables I can think of.
I’ll bite. How did you ensure the camera positioning, angle, and lighting were exactly the same? Did you use a fixed tripod? How did you ensure the focusing and processing the camera does was exactly the same? Which model camera did you use? Is it a digital zoom? This isn’t meant to offend you, it’s only to show that taking zoomed in pictures of a television without controls is not a good method for making legitimate comparisons. It’s also rhetorical, I don’t expect answers or desire to argue about all the many nuances inherent to this method of testing.
It would be much easier to use equipment actually designed for measuring televisions. Why don’t we see any Powerplant measurements before and after with color calibration equipment? Because it doesn’t show a difference. Don’t you think PS Audio or anyone with a colorimeter would be all over posting the results here if there was a difference?? There are a lot of videophiles out there that are all about color/brightness accuracy and high quality video. There is an entire industry devoted to calibrating TVs. People pay tens of thousands for display technology. There is no TV manufacturer that I’m aware of touting the ability to improve the picture with additional AC power filtering, that should tell you something. Mastering displays for color work, which can be incredibly expensive, don’t require recalibration when you plug them in and out of different wall sockets. Many come precalibrated with no provision for the end user’s power source, why is that? Huge oversight for an industry where minute accuracy matters and costs big money. Power filtering prior to the TV literally can’t affect the digital HDMI signal. The people designing this equipment already know this. Futzing around with cameras is a poor way to try to prove something that is easily disproven with more reliable methods. The reason we see it used here is because of all of the inherent problems with taking photos like this being the only way to “show a difference” that isn’t actually there.
In the end you can choose to believe whatever you want to. The truth of this is already well known and available to anyone who wants to learn more about how TVs, PWM, and digital transmission work. Even Paul is suggesting that the tests shown here have “little scientific rigor applied”, because he knows that this isn’t a valid method to prove these claims. There shouldn’t really be an argument here about this. If we want to have a real discussion we need to have good data, methodology, and the right equipment. My “belief” is that when we do have those things in order, there will be no measured difference. That’s the bar that I think most people would need to see to have any chance of truly changing minds.
Oh I think a test with the calibrator and other measuring equipment plugged into the P12 and wall would be enough to melt the minds of the measurement crowd, that can accept anything except measurement and opinion of their most revered Saint to whom they have sworn an oath of hypocrisy to. If only there was also a vow of silence in his book.
Please do it then.
Again, the photos don’t lie. You can make up whatever reason you want for not believing what you see. The P12 makes a difference. And simple photos taken by an amateur (me) show cleaner and smoother images that correlate with the impressions that many of us have with regenerators. If the measurement camp wants “official” testing, the measurement camp now has an excellent starting place to go from.
I don’t know anything about the measurements of PSA regenerators, but what I do know, when I owned 2 x P10 regenerators the TV picture was so bright and intense it was on a par with the Sun’s luminosity… I sold them simply because I became pissed off watching the TV wearing a welding visor…
Hey Shazb0t…
Can you prove why bumbles can fly…you know they aren’t
supposed to…
But bumble bees do fly…
Please stop with the nonsense…do you run an analysys air quality before every breath you breathe? Nonsense right?
Best wishes
No, because no one has bothered. Those who have applied this bit of audio kit to displays have seen an improvement.
If you try it and do not see a difference send the PowerPlant back. Easy.
Why all the effort to attempt to convince others they do not experience what they know to be the case?
Man, I’ve been there before. I can relate it a lot to mountain biking. I swear they change the wheel size to “the latest and greatest” every year. Back when I was racing, I rode on 26" wheels. Loved 'em. Then when 29" became the big deal, I thought it was stupid. Everyone was saying how much better they are and how they’ll never go back. I refused to believe it would make a big, if any difference. To be competitive as far as components went with my current bike, I would have had to spend upwards of $6,000 to match that of my bike with 26". I bet you can see where this is going…
Demoed a bike with 29"s that year and I’ve had them ever since. Funny how much I tried to convince my friends they were stupid for investing in the 29"s before I had ever even tried them…
Does PSA then pick-up the return shipping should the regenerator not satisfy, Hmmm…
As I recall PS Audio’s press release when going to direct sales, there is free shipping on all orders and the option to return after an audition period of up to 30 days, with return shipping also paid for by PS Audio.
Please check with PS Audio directly however to verify this is correct however.
An excellent analogy.
I readily admit 26" to 29" sounds ridiculous. Fascinating this makes such a difference.
Standard policy is that we ask the customer to cover the shipping of 30-day returns. We also ask that they cover the shipping of their trade-ins as well.
My experience was otherwise, so I believe they may have revised their component trial policy regarding returns.
Nah. You’re just special.
I know, three for three. Lesson learned.
Thanks for the clarification. I was going by memory.
You honestly believe no individual or organization has ever measured color and brightness of a TV using digital signals with and without additional power conditioning? That’s actually your defense? What would you say if shown direct evidence to the contrary?
We certainly know how you react with evidence contrary to what you believe.