PWT performance/issues?


#1

I’m considering purchasing a PWT as the network option is not living up to my expectations.



I have heard of complaints of drive noise but was wondering what other issues users have experienced.



My biggest question is track access time. I understand that this is a memory player but couldn’t find muchinformation on how long it may take to start plying music once play is pressed. Also, when changing tracks what is the time(delay) before the next track starts to play.



Appreciate any feedback.


#2

Spinning optical disks are dead. So are CD/DVD players. I would suggest you to spend more time tuning/tweaking The Bridge and the network around.


#3

Try a different network option…


#4

Pm’ed you


#5
don dac said: My biggest question is track access time.

I have never timed it, but the response is quick enough I have never given it any thought.

Alekz said: Spinning optical disks are dead. So are CD/DVD players.

=))

As is the internal combustion engine, right? ;))

#6

I think the last time I listened to a CD was mmm… 5-6 years ago when I bought Logitech Transporter. And since 4 years ago all disks are hidden behind the books.


#7

I have never owned a minivan or an SUV. I will never golf.


Or drink Corona beer.


Or listen to Norah Jones.


Are they all dead, too?


:O


#8

LOL. I think elk is very correct . There are many other hi end dacs and transports. Just look around. And it is not just we old folk that like putting a disk in either . It’s. The simplistic act and not using a CPU to do the task too. But sound for me is a big point.

Al


#9
Elk said: Are they all dead, too?

Of course not. But there is a tendency. For example, Facebook is not dead. But there is a tendency that shows that people are massively leaving it. Another example - analogue TV (there's no analogue TV in NL anymore). Or VHS (BTW, I need to digitize my old VHS video somehow...)

There is no reason to buy a CD if you can buy the same album in FLAC online.

And finally, CD's die naturally in 4-10 years. Some live longer, some (unfortunately, I have a couple) shorter. If you have a CD without a digital copy, it's a big risk.

#10

Just found one of those CDs and made a scan (PDF attached). The white stuff (it looks like crystals or dendrites) is inside the disk, not on the surface.

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#11

I have many CDs, some going back almost 30 years, many more in the 10-20 year range, and have never encountered a problem playing them or seen anything like the “white stuff” you refer to. My disks are stored in my home, so they are heated in winter and mostly air conditioned in summer, whatever difference that may make. No physical medium lasts forever, of course, but to suggest that CDs last ten years or less does not square with my experience. Has anyone else here had the experience of CDs decaying after only a few years?


#12

Oh, and do not forget accident scratches or cracks… Something you can’t do with files :wink:


#13

No CD problems here either. I’ve got over 2000 and have had zero problems. I’m sure storage has something to do with it, but for the most part CDs are a stable medium. Of course some will fail, just like hard drives fail (with all your files stored on them!). It’s inevitable that CDs will go the way of LPs, they died a long time ago right?


#14

@doncaputo My PWT has functioned flawlessly for over four years and has been the best, most reliable CD player I’ve ever owned. While I wish there were further firmware updates to incorporate some interface improvements that were suggested years ago, I have no regrets about purchasing the unit.

Drive noise varies with discs. Some are louder than others, but even at its loudest it isn’t noticeable beyond a few feet from the unit.

You will notice little or no startup delay or delays when skipping tracks. I’d strongly recommend using it with a PWD to realize its full potential.



-Pb


#15
pmotz said: I've got over 2000 and have had zero problems.

Check for C2 errors.

#16
Elk said: I have never owned a minivan or an SUV. I will never golf.

I should've been more clear. What I said is not the cause or illustration "why" CD's are dead :D It's just my personal experience.

Some still (photo)shoot with 35mm film. I stopped doing this since I bought my first digital camera in 2001 (my personal preference and experience, but still, 35mm film cameras are pretty much dead).

I wonder what will happen with vinyl, when the current generation of audiophiles is gone and/or much more 24/192 (DXD?) music is available. The technology is here. Who should do the next step? Consumers or recording companies? Ultimately it depends on the recording companies, of course. But it should be massively "consumed".

Interesting, how many people in their 30s (let alone 20s) buy CD- and/or LP-players.

#17

@don dac: The PWT sounds fantastic.



Elk said: I have never owned a minivan or an SUV.


Corvette. Different story.






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#18
Alekz said: Check for C2 errors.

OK, I had no idea what that was so I googled and found out. I also learned that some CD drives (in computers, not audio players) can check for these errors. Trying to find out how to do this got me a bunch of stuff about checking hard disks. So, Alekz:

1) how do you check? I assume there is some sort of specialized software (aside from CD rippers--see below). And how do you know if your drive does the check?
2) how do you interpret the results? I understand that almost all CDs contain some errors, which is why there is an error correction system built in. For a new CD, how many C2 errors (if any) would be considered normal/acceptable? Would this number go up as the CD ages? What number of errors would start to impact SQ?

When I rip CDs with EAC, the "error correction" light has never come on; but that may mean my drive doesn't do the check. My disks are in good condition, no visible scratches. I also found out that dBpoweramp will include a check for C2 errors. But I do not want to have to rip a CD just to check out this issue, so I hope there's another way to check.

#19

Thanks magister, (for the most part) my questions exactly! The other question is, how do I know that any errors found are the result of instability of the medium? Obviously would, as a minimum, need a baseline (i.e., error rate of the CD when new) to compare to. I certainly didn’t do that for any of my CDs.


#20
magister said: how many C2 errors (if any) would be considered normal/acceptable?

There shouldn't be any, but even new CD"s may have some. The question is how many C2 errors there are now and there were 2-5-10 years ago.

Here's several links to start with:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disc_rot

http://web.archive.org/web/20081022212501/http://www.slais.ubc.ca/PEOPLE/students/student-projects/C_Hill/hill_libr516/print.htm (go to "CD Longevity")

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/01/31/1043804519345.html
http://www.macobserver.com/article/2004/05/06.4.shtml
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3940669.stm

or just search the Internet for "compact disk decay", "cd longevity".

magister said: so I hope there's another way to check.


I used the program that came with my Plextor burner.