Upgrade P5 to P12


#1

Would love to hear experiences specifically moving from P5 to P12. And what was your load on the P5?


#2

Went from a P5 to a P12 last week I feel it is better blacker background more 3D if you will. It was a week to 2 before I had the P12 from the time I shipped my P5 so going on memory.
Not sure about load I never figured it out. System is Technics SL1200GAE, Rogue Ares Magnum phono pre, BHK pre, DS DMP, DS JR DAC, Nord NC500 mono amps


#3

Thanks!


#4

What type of improvement did you find compared to plugging directly in wall. For 5K would think it would have to be a “component level” upgrade to consider it?


#5

Going from a power strip to the P5 was quite a surprise; maybe the biggest positive influence on my system from PS Audio.


#6

What stands out as the biggest improvements made by the P5?

Were you able to trade up to the P12 directly from PS audio. If so what type of trade in did you get? I only ask because I’m very interested in P12 and I would be willing to stretch my budget a bit if there’s a path to keep it till I go deaf. - thx


#7

The greatest improvements were in system clarity/transparency, increased dynamic range - especially microdynamics, and improved timbrel accuracy.


#8

thx did you trade the p5 in when you purchased the p12? If so was there a trade in program?


#9

Haven’t done it yet. Trying to decide if it’s worth it to me. And there’s always a trade in program.


#10

Ok, the P12 is in my system for about 15 minutes and now I’ll answer my own question: The difference is remarkable. Clarity, fidelity, detail are all improved to the degree that if I walked into the room, I could immediately tell the difference. Interestingly, I’ve spent considerable time and money rolling tubes in my BHK pre just trying to eliminate or even subdue the upper middle grain (is the high register of a trumpet “upper middle”?). Now it’s perfectly natural. A happy man.


#11

The fundamentals of a trumpet’s normal playing range are from 165Hz to 1.2kHz (the primary formants are located at 1-1.5kHz and 2-3kHz).

Generally, 250Hz through 2kHz is referred to as the midrange.


#12

Going to my go-to cd, Ruby Braff, cornet, Howard Alden, seven string archtop guitar and Jack Lesberg, upright, the depth of range is remarkable. The bass is very new, especially when Lesberg uses the bow.


#13

Yay! Thanks for this great update.


#14

I’m actually sorry to hear that. Very satisfied with my P10 and don’t want to want to upgrade.


#15

Funny, as the days passed waiting for the P12 to arrive, I became more and more doubtful, skeptical, thinking that I’d probably send it back after a couple disappointing days. But the P5 is going back in the morning; great job done, but off you go.
After a few hundred hours, I’ll slip the Oreas under it, then the Blue fuse…see what happens.


#16

…blue fuse…sometimes you just have to hate this hobby. Let us know how that works!


#17

In your case you’ll have to go to the P15 or 20 or just continue to be satisfied with the P10. I’m really enjoying mine but then again I’ve only had it for a month so it’s still too soon for the upgraditis illness to strike.


#18

Amsco15 I too loved my P10! I sat in awe of it for weeks. With its lower noise levels, I heard so much more music. The P20 has done the same and then some!!! I’d go so far as to say it will significantly improve any system and you won’t know how good your system can sound without it. I still have the option of adding a 20 amp circuit and getting another bump in performance.

Those looking at a P15 should really consider the P20 instead. You get twice the output devices for 25% more money. Do you want a V6 or a V8 powering your system?


#19

Thanks for the input. I’ve got a big move in my near future. Downsizing my life and with that selling a big pile of analog: turntable, phono pre-amp and 500 LPs or so. Maybe selling all that will finance a P20 :sweat_smile:.


#20

I’m skeptical of the benefit of a unit bigger than it needs to be (all right, cut it out).
If your equipment draw puts a 30 or 40% load on a P12, why would a P15 or P20 automatically sound better, especially at volume levels of just a few watts, which is where we mostly listen.