I agree. Going back to Huron instead of Red Cloud kept the bass presence. Still adjusting to the Windom midrange though.
@gazjam, did you do a double boot after that Redcloud / Windom install?
I did, yeah.
Even removed all cables from the DS to eliminate THAT (if it existed…)
This might help…
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I’m baffled about all this zip/unzipped thing and “bad loads” and get back and forward with FW.
I’ve been working with IT over the past 20 years and I can’t find some plausible reasons for some of this phenomenons.
As you @gazjam, I had an outstanding Windom DSj… with richness, emotion, life, reverb, spacious soundstage… but I got messed up with all the bad loads from other folks (and that audiophillia nervosa).
I e-mailed TJ, and he sent me the unzipped Windom files.
Went back to Yale > reboot (1min wait) > Windom > reboot (1min wait) > boot…all the richness… bass, life, and emotion were gone!!! WT#?!!
I tried…nop, that’s not my beloved DSj!
Went back to Snowmass 2.02 > reboot (1min wait) > Windom > reboot (1min wait) > boot > voilá… my DSj Windom was back!
It’s true! Bad loads exists (or some kind of weird phenomenon) even on DSj
We will not mess with anything again, I leave DSj FW untouched, until next Ted’s FW release. And then, I’ll go straight to the next FW.
Again, I’m baffled with all this stuff.
For me, the FW is flashed or not. Is not a process that should “flow with the weather”…
EDIT:
*zip/unzipped is not an issue (or else we have to question a whole lot of other IT matters)
*the actual phenomeon is “bad loads” or some update paths that mess with undercover things
*the last update path I did was also with the files TJ emailed me, and I have DSj Windom magic back (but the initial magic update was with the zipped files from PSAudio website)
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I have a DSJ and part of this scenario is I read a post like yours and I can’t help but try your load scheme! Part of the issue is bad loads, and part is curiosity killed the cat 
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Indeed!
I wish we all can stop quite for once, and just enjoy the music…but no…
FWIW I’ve been using zero toe-in with my speakers for a couple of years now and have been enjoying an expanded soundstage ever since and Windom just improved it! Wonderful!
I wonder if Chord has these same bad load issues with their FPGA updates? Assuming they have updates?
We keep scratching our heads about how bad loads could exist. Perhaps it’s to with Colorado’s marijuana laws 
?
I wonder if they ever experience bad loads at headquarters? And does it really matter if we revert to whatever before installing Windom, or is the reverting only circumstantial?
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Chord doesn’t do updates…
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These problems aren’t because of FPGA updates. The FPGA is reloaded on each boot, and (unlike the control/processor) has no memory, no flash, etc. It is a clean slate with each power up and has CRC’s validated in hardware before a boot can happen.
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Is PSA the only DAC company that has these in the field software updates? Just wondering if the bad loads are endemic to the process as a whole, or just PSA specific?
Sorry but it’s been explained many times. Update is broken, PS Audio knows that it’s broken, there have been small steps in the right direction. It’s not a mysterious phenomenon, it’s just a simple bug (or bugs) that hasn’t been stomped yet. Each release different people get affected and all the same questions come again and again. It’s not great, but most of us put up with it because the sound quality improvements are often more than worth it. One annoying thing on the DS Jr is it seems to happen more to units that have been on the same software for a long time. That’s good for those that like to try multiple versions back to back, but it’s harder for PS Audio engineering to get reproductions cases. PS Audio doesn’t need help with possible solutions, they need time for an engineer to work on it without taking away from progress on other projects.
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One would hope that with $4000 - $6000 DACs that the reason this update issue persists, I gather, for years, is not because PSA engineers are too busy with other things. Being updatable in the field is a significant selling point, and it is a terrible user experience to have to literally use tea leaves to determine if their expensive DAC is sounding optimal.
Perhaps these questions have not been asked enough by customers? I find lack of time to be a poor excuse. If the technology simply can’t be reliable, that’s one thing, but neglect is a more difficult pill to swallow.
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@dancingsea is right. This reflects poorly on PS Audio. This has gone on for upgrade cycle after upgrade cycle. No customer should have to go through this when it fails. If PS Audio is going to offer these field upgrades, they MUST provide a reliable method to do so.
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Talk to Paul
Paul should already know this…it is self-evident.
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Paul is too busy making YouTube videos and writing daily posts to fix the updates. Bam, I said it, tongue 
in cheek. I love my DSJ, but I’ll lobby for a better user experience over getting more parishioners into the tent.
We’re all trying to make lemonade out of lemons, but nearly a 1000 posts later, this is kind of nuts…
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Sure! Let me know how it goes.
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