New PS Audio speakers?

For those looking for test data, here a little teaser with some transducer measurement info on our 8" woofer that you may have seen in some of Paul’s youtube videos. This is a Klippel large signal analysis showing the distortion limited displacement. Here’s a little poster showing a bit more about this. http://www.klippel.de/fileadmin/_migrated/content_uploads/Klippel_Nonlinearity_Poster.pdf

Our smaller midwoofer have similar excursion limits (with a different faraday ring implementation designed around improved midrange performance).

We’re up at 18mm peak to peak for a 10% distortion limit (and IEC measurement standard) with our 8" and 6.5" midwoofers which puts us in some good company like Scan-speak illuminator, Purifi, Motus Audio and such.

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Hey @Chris_Brunhaver question on the BL graph. Am I reading something wrong or is the curve slanted to one side? I’m used to seeing more symmetric (between + and - excursion) curves/plots.

Well, the way the data is presented looks like this is static but there’s a lot going on here. Klippel uses a statistical model of the driver under power (using voltage and current sensing, microphone and laser) to derive the root causes of distortion and present you sort of composite graphs.

For instance, the inductance shown is a lumped parameter and not able to be split out by frequency (a kind of limitation of the system). Things like shorting rings have a frequency dependent effect and so, if you go by this curve alone, you can make some incorrect assumptions about how much metal to use and where (based on the intended frequency range of the driver)

During testing, this driver saw in excess of 110V and 30 amps of current. We use a split gap XBL type design for our coil/top plates which gives you some of the best qualities of both underhung and overhung magnet structures, low coil mass, good inductance behavior (large shorting ring location at the rest position).

Woofer motors, particularly at very high current, modulate the flux in the motor some and the BL curve will dynamically skew to either side as the coil is essentially adding and subtracting from the permanent field. We are doing some deep undercuts to push the steel into saturation (where it’s hysteresis curve is flatter) and using multiple thick faraday rings (which counter this effect through an induced current/magnetic field). Part of this is a measurement artifact of pushing the driver so hard to 1.5" peak to peak) to resolve the curve shape out at the extremes but we are seeing some modulation of the upper magnetic gap.

Asymmetry here does effect 2nd harmonic distortion but we’re only varying a little and overall the BL is very flat and extended (and is +/- 9.6 or ~12mm depending on it you’re looking at the 82% or 70% limit that defines “Xmax”) and you can see in the “distortion analysis” window that the distortion from BL isn’t the primary contributor until the end of the test where they are pushing things to the ~1.5" peak-to-peak physical limit of the unit. Basically, at typical current levels, it’s flatter.

There are a few other techniques to improve this a bit more like bucking magnets, changes to the pole extension geometry and additional return paths, pre-charged magnets in place of some of the steel, more shorting rings. I may do some future R&D on some of these things but assembling a motor with pre-charged magnets is dangerous and costly and we have to make decisions on how much to spend and where to put our money.

Anyway, I was happy with where we ended up on this and it isn’t as simple as a little longer pole or something improving things further.

Transducers are very complex and we’re doing a lot to simulate, measure, iterate and optimize each design.

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Thanks for your posts. This is fascinating.

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I am truly looking forward to these speakers. Maybe someday, but, in the mean time I am investigating the current market.

Thanks Chris, awesome insight and explanation into the process and tech.

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Nothing is ever easy. The more you know the more complex it gets.

Impressive, what you are doing.

All to achieve 3 goals, to develop speakers that look right, sound right and stay affordable to a certain level.

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I imagine that PS Audio will be busy in October with the Rocky Mountain International Audio Fest in Denver. It is Oct 8’th-10’th.

its two weeks later

Hmm… not according to their website. Exhibitors - Rocky Mountain International Audio Fest
Do you know something different? I am sure those of us making travel plans would like to know asap!
Thanks,
Pat

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Ah I misunderstood. Thanks.

This was shown on the main exhibitor page:

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Homestead 2 is one of the ginormous rooms on the mezzanine level if memory serves.

Whether the new speakers are there … who knows? Depends on a lot of “what if’s.”

As far as the date, I recall that another big show (Axpona, I think) was moved back to within a week of the RMAF, so not sure if that resulted in any rejiggering.

Would be a major disappointment if the new speakers won’t be there… same for DirectStream DAC 2. Hopefully we get to see BHK600 too.

Definitely.

However, after seeing several iterations of “not quite ready for primetime” speaker prototypes at past shows, I wouldn’t be disappointed if the decision is not the show them unless they are 100% ready to rock.

The delivery of these has been slow torture for some of us. With COVID placing an urgency to those of us who are older, and always wondering what am I waiting for? I decided to buy a pair of Wilson Sasha’s. I’m very pleased with the purchase. When the PSAudio speakers are finally released, there will be the inevitable revisions. It could be several years before these are fully sorted and delivered to our waiting arms. I’m optimistic but realistic.

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We will be attending the RMAF and we will have the new speakers there as well. If not, I will be in jail for having shot someone. :slight_smile:

Seriously, we should be there with everything working and hopefully not wearing masks and so on. Not sure if we’re requiring a vaccination card or what we’re doing but those of us working the show will certainly be vaccinated.

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Hmm, time to re-evaluate my October schedule…

I can’t wait to go. It will be my first time.
What do you think about making available something like a sticker or badge to enable Forum members to identify each other as Forum members? Something simple like the PSA logo with the word 'Forum".
Folks could use them at whatever event/show they attend.
Thoughts?

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Good Idea, I know of one forum member who created his own name tag with his forum moniker. Genius, pure Genius… My struggle will be do I drive or fly, a 15 hour drive.