What other names have been used by the “pope”?
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Hi vkennedy61,
I don’t know yet! Douglas Schrouder from Dagogo talked me into trying the set-up. I had to make four sets (two of each series I and II) and I popped out after THREE were completed. I have one series II to go to fire it up.
Claims are it is really good but…I have 4 foot leads and the ICONOCLAST are pretty good as is. It will be a tough fight to be hugely different. But…we’ll see. The specs drop a ton in dual parallel bi-wire so that’s all in the sauce for sure. No basic cable can change the specs like this does.
Maybe Monday I can make comment. I’ll finish up the last assembly Sunday and fire it up around noon and sit and listen several hours to my reference streamed songs I use for evaluations.
I can’t really say that this is a good value at all. To me it is not even close as it is twice the price and it can’t be twice the performance. So it is for those that value any uplift and have everything else in order. But yes, you can do this.
Best,
Galen
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Please do let us know what you learn after listening. It is a fun idea.
I will comment over on the ICONOCLAST thread.
Best,
Galen
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This is the list that was on Audiogon.
thynamesinnervoice
cindyment
snratio
yesiamjohn
sugabooger
dletch2
audio2design
dannad
roberttdid
heaudio123
audiozenology
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Wow …you must have done sleuthing …
Thanks for the heads up
Best wishes
No some of the “regulars” did the sleuthing. Though I’ve been a member of Audiogon since the mid 90’s I only visit occasionally as what happened here with this thread is the norm over there.
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Audio2design does ring a bell. He’s even more aggressive there as I remembered.
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I think he has a new name on audiogon now.
Can you imagine spending that much of your life doing what Cindy and the others do?
And to make it even more preposterous, it’s all for the worship of zip cord and courtesy power cables?
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He is trying in his own way to “protect” us all from what he feels is or isn’t important. The data is always compelling, that which we measure, to look audible or inaudible. His tact is just broken and he can’t LEARN any better than he can TEACH what specs he feels are “proper” and why.
Some of us want the full Monty as much as we can afford and are well aware the things are in the micro-second and pico-second ranges. This is all explained up front…10% of the speed of light in a vacuum or a dielectric is still FAST.
Well made cable can touch on ALL the attributes, including the one’s he feels, as do I, are “most” important. We aren’t holding a proper specification back to provide a possibly less impactful attribute that I can include in a more complex design. Getting low inductance with lolw cap ALSO required a more complex design. IS 0.08 uH/foot “too good”? 1313A 10 AWG zip cord type is about 0.15 uH/foot. Even his accepted specs have invisible limits to his way of thinking. He limits even his R, L and C parameters.
If we can do these improvements within a “reasonable” budget, I think we are close, it is fun to design to every last item on the list.
For what ever reason, he seems compelled to warn us of the “data”. Everything runs through R, L and C, so his position that THAT is all that matters is SLIGHTLY askew as R, L and C change tertiary elements in cable, too. What are those doing? But to his (should be) acceptance we improve R, L and C when improve we address the tertiary items. That’s a win-win on specs and sometimes that’s what we want to pay for.
OK, it is more expensive to do that but as long as we keep R, L and C in the right ranges we should have “his” specs covered even if we accept a few new ones for ourselves. I think we all know what specs are REACHING as far as we can to make analog cable’s addative properties mitigated as much as we can.
I will also mention that Vp impact cable reactive IMPEDANCE and when we adjust Vp linearity in the high frequencies, we ALSO adjust impedance in the lower frequencies and that has to impact how reactive components behave concatenated together. Do BOTH Impedance and Vp changes help? Sure. Which one is more audible? Can’t say as one brings you the other and can’t be separated so they are almost the same “spec” if you will. Move one and the other moves too. Trying to illustrate HOW that happens is fun, proper and informative.
As long as the excercises are CORRECT, no matter how they fall into the “importance” range, it is OK to design to them. The product provides an actual peoperty we want to try. I agree that “mystery meat” cable with no HOW and
WHY should be avoided. That is a case of what are we buying not being properly explained. Cover R, L and C and ALL the cable’s tertiary attributes as fully as we can. This makes better and better cable and we learn more and more.
I need to get back to making dual parallel bi-wire cable assemblies to reduce R, L and increase C! And yes, that C change also changes cable impedances!
I need to do an open-short test to get the RIGHT answer as to where we are going with this tech, too. I will have that information for us all later on once I get proper test pieces of the right length. We can test it, so we should.
Best,
Galen
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I wish I could share your good-natured application of altruism to our dear friend Cindy. But I never saw even a glimmer, which is why I eventually just hit the ignore button.
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Weren’t you coming from Cardas Clear Beyond speaker cables (which sold)? As much as I love Cardas stuff, they really “get in the way” with their Clear and CB speaker cables. The specs are just bizarre. So different and unusual, that nobody can deny speaker cables make a difference.
The differences are imagined, since you weren’t blindfolded and weren’t using earplugs 
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I’ve always heard that cardas cables can color the sound to the warm side.
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Yes. I have a couple of cardas cables (parsec and older quadlink). Both sound cleaner and smoother, but on the negative side can sound dull. But if a system sounds fatiguing, and you don’t want to change amp/preamp, cardas can be wonderful.
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Speaking only to the experience of the Clear, specifically speaker cables, and think it involves remarkable “depth”, but in a super muddy way…obv.YMMV. Is it the high capacitance? One common spec is stand alone in variety with speaker cables. My quick search failed, but wanted to finish the thought. Or at least try…heh.
I’m really excited by this foil cableble, and have been so close to pulling the trigger, but have yet to audition. Now is the time, as I’m addressing it in my system. Some speakers care less…think I have such a pair (Harbeth).
“cableble” is my new favorite mistake word. It’s more than a cable…cableble.
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T’was high capacitance low inductance:
- Inductance: .0176 uh/ft/loop.
- Capacitance: 278 pf pf/ft.
@WATChad, I never pay attention to how it measures. I’m enjoying audio because of the sound and the emotional connection it creates (imagine that!).
Yes, I did move from Cardas Beyond Clear to Silversmith Fidelium. Before that, I tried MANY different speaker cables and the Beyond Clear always won out. That was until I tested the Fidelium’s.
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