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skin effect only comes into play at frequencys that are much beyond audio. So you can say at audio frequencies that Silver is conducting with less of a voltage drop than copper.
This would seem intuitive. But it’s not the case, ask rower30. I mentioned skin depth as just one variable, it’s the total of all material properties that makes copper more ideal in certain applications - silver in others.
Galen has not even considered a prototype of his ICONOCLAST design with solid silver, and for a reason. I asked him. You can read his lectures in the ICONOCLAST thread.
This thread has gone off its rails a long time ago, and it CERTAINLY isn’t about ME, but I’d just like to confirm that yes, I can enjoy music without any worries or doubts of the metallurgies (or what have you) involved.
But why would I write about that here? That would be boring.
If my aim is to be an audio engineer some day, with knowledge of many fields, why would I not concentrate on squeezing relevant information from an audio forum with lots of knowledgeable folk? WHY would anyone criticize this, it’s beyond me!
In this thread, I was earlier making some points about how defining “better” and “worse” audio conductors is just not relevant (among other things). Then get flack for "running us all over with “personal facts”… That just doesn’t feel nice. Was never mean to anyone, just trying to get points across - not for fun, but for sharing the little understanding I have!
Yes, let’s keep it civil. But I have to say I am surprised anyone here would oppose technical advancement. I trust that wasn’t the intention.
I apologize, and naturally, I forgive. I just hope people understand better now what my intentions are.
My LCR meter says the resistance is lower for the same length and gauge of wire.
Way too much trouble. If you have a cow, I have a trade deal for you.
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That’s what is counterintuitive. You measure the resistance at the ends. It’s absolute, it holds, yes.
Still, an AC signal happens to be transmitted with more power throughput through copper. I can’t say I know why - ask Galen.
Resistance is a parameter that fools us easily. It is a static value, yet what happens in signal transmission is very complex and we get to deal with “active” (vs passive) properties of conductors during the event. Again, ask Galen (rower30) if you want to know more.
I comes in third behind silver and copper. This is the time that Gold gets the Bronze!
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What?
it is an Olympic reference for anyone that doesn’t get it!
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Have you evaluated golden interconnects against silver and copper ones? You have? Gold was the least preferable?
@Arenith Hmm, I thought this was a thread about " . . where to get 24k gold wire?"
It’s just a title. It’s tidier to have all this in this thread rather than have a dozen threads, right.
Elk, you can change the title if you want.
To the point: Do you think the reviewers of the various golden interconnects were paid with gold to praise the sound quality? All reviews of golden interconnects have been ultimately positive and indicated that there’s something to it that other materials haven’t thus far offered.
Absolutely, the geometry and dielectric have to be up to the job for this to be true. From what I’ve gathered, manufacturers of gold ICs have paid lots of attention to these aspects. (Yeah… probably because the material itself is extremely costly, better use it well)
@Elk Elk you CAN change the title if you wish - most of the thread is not about acquiring gold wire.
How about “Pure gold conductors”
Do you need a bigger shovel?
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I’m not the one digging the gold if that’s what you mean. My back aches fierce, can’t do such work. Just think.
Okay okay I should do work, as in, reading arduous textbooks. Fortunately they aren’t all arduous, just months ago read Wiley’s “Synthetic diamond films”, damn interesting so I consumed 600 pages in 5 days. Highly recommended! Diamonds are the future, especially in the nano scale. Won’t take long until they get to make a doped wafer for manufacturing microprocessors.
So if I do an impedance check it should come out the other way? I really doubt it. I will try though. I have never heard of copper moving more power than silver.
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That’s what is counterintuitive. You measure the resistance at the ends. It’s absolute, it holds, yes.
Still, an AC signal happens to be transmitted with more power throughput through copper. I can’t say I know why - ask Galen.
Resistance is a parameter that fools us easily. It is a static value, yet what happens in signal transmission is very complex and we get to deal with “active” (vs passive) properties of conductors during the event. Again, ask Galen (rower30) if you want to know more.
It could depend on gauge… As I understand it, it’s got to do with skin depth of the material, and yes this surely is about audio frequencies. Don’t think of this as the skin effect you’ve come to know, just overall skin depth.
You move power in the range of 20Hz-20kHz in same gauge silver and copper and the (skin) impedance in silver along the conductor’s annulus will be enough to have copper moving more power.
I MIGHT BE WRONG. Ask Galen. This is just how I learnt it from him, I hope I’m not being a fool here.
No fools in genuine discussion aimed at getting to a truth rather than stroking an ego.
here is a better title: I MIGHT BE WRONG. Ask Galen
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I didn’t understand the structure of your sentence.
Am I the fool?
Galen doesn’t have an answer to everything, he’s human I guess?
Galen can’t explain why gold as a material, in various cable geometries, consistently has reviewers describing sonic attributes that generally don’t apply to copper or silver. Attributes that are very alluring.
The manufacturers of the gold interconnects don’t know! We just don’t know!
Unless the reviewers were paid with gold to write what they did, there’s obviously merit to gold, at least in voltage transmission. For some reason.
Note: I will absolutely be reporting my listening observations on this forum once I’m rich enough to purchase gold RCAs.