Update - just got both of them working together now (iPad and iPhone). Honestly, I think a lot of this is just the nature of UPnP and home networks. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Not certain its a whole lot better with other controllers either?
I do not agree to this view.
My Lumin is dead stable and works every time with no issues.
I even connect the Lumin via a wifi access point on the same network as the PWD.
The controls are immediate responding and all sample rates works, inclusive of DSD.
If I use Kinsky control point, the result is the same, so the challenge lays on the renderer side.
The uPNP server makes a difference but is not crucial (I use Minimserver).
I know for a fact that some manufacturers excercise great doubts about the robustness of streaming without buffering.
I agree that some equipment is more tolerant of less than perfect networks. It is unfortunate that the PS Audio products are less tolerant of minor network issues than other equipment available for our purposes. I do wish that PS Audio would work on the network tolerance of their products. If this were easy then I would expect the PS Audio network connected products to be more robust than they are.
I like the PS Audio network products even though I occasionally do have playback drops and hangs. They are not frequent, but they do happen. I only rarely have had any connectiion issues and the most significant of those was caused by cheap network equipment, not any PS Audio products. At that, I would still implore PS Audio to enhance the network fault tolerance and general network process robustness. Unfortunately, consumer products are often driven more by low price than quality and this is as true of home network equipment as anything else. There is lots of cheap crap out ther that delivers the bits most of the time and occasionally in even in a timely manner - the rest of the time… :-??
out of desperation, i just did go to the SETTING of iOS7 on iPad2 and turn off the option for Browser art of the eLyric menu. now the DEVICES option on eLyric APP shows that the PWD dacII, as well as the twonky media server (on QNAP) can be selected. Selecting both allows streaming of data to PWD dacII then to analogue audio system for clear music.
there is no browser art (album art now not displayed), though playlist art seems to be OK. this is a slight issue. believe this was addressed way back. maybe the same adjustment to the codes can make the browser art option retun.
That little trick didn’t work for me. The only way I can get the PWD to show up is to reset the UPnP server. Major hassle to say the least, especially when any other controller I use displays it right away, every time. I believe this is part of the reason Paul is done messing with it. Seems like a simple thing to address, but it must be a pain to fix?
I agree that some equipment is more tolerant of less than perfect networks. It is unfortunate that the PS Audio products are less tolerant of minor network issues than other equipment available for our purposes. I do wish that PS Audio would work on the network tolerance of their products. If this were easy then I would expect the PS Audio network connected products to be more robust than they are.
It's simple, poor engineering.
I like the PS Audio network products even though I occasionally do have playback drops and hangs. They are not frequent, but they do happen. I only rarely have had any connectiion issues and the most significant of those was caused by cheap network equipment, not any PS Audio products. At that, I would still implore PS Audio to enhance the network fault tolerance and general network process robustness. Unfortunately, consumer products are often driven more by low price than quality and this is as true of home network equipment as anything else. There is lots of cheap crap out ther that delivers the bits most of the time and occasionally in even in a timely manner - the rest of the time............ :-??
J.P.
In my network, the only component doesn't work is the bridge to nowhere and eLyric iPhone app so the problem is my cheap network components?? Why does my PlugPlayer, Player8, SB Touch, SB Boom ... everything else works flawlessly?
When you have innovation, efficiency, competition ... price drops. Low price doesn't necessary mean cheap. Please list some of your cheap network components.
This eLyric controller update works ok with iOS 6.1.3. This is what I'm using. Lets not forget that the iOS update was Apple's f*ck up, not PS Audio's.
Are you serious? I don't think Apple cares about eLyric, PS Audio ... If PS Audio wants to play in IOS XX, then it has to play by Apple's rules.
I see it miles away, you guys are not Apple lovers but PS Audio software/firmware engineers or beta testers. LOL!!!
That little trick didn't work for me. The only way I can get the PWD to show up is to reset the UPnP server. Major hassle to say the least, especially when any other controller I use displays it right away, every time. I believe this is part of the reason Paul is done messing with it. Seems like a simple thing to address, but it must be a pain fix?
Simple if you have to RIGHT engineers.
BTW, I was able to get my PWD to show up in the iPhone eLyric app by toggling PWD inputs from Coaxial and bridge. I mainly use PlugPlayer now but so far this trick has worked twice after 2 or 3 toggles.
One more thing, after installing the latest bridge firmware, a local audiophile reported the channels got swapped. It was fixed after reinstalling. This happened twice so FYI.
If it is so simple then why don’t you fix it all for them. I am sure that PS Audio would pay for the services rendered.
PS Audio is not the only company that Apple screwed (once again) with their iOS update. Interesting that you blame PS Audio because Apple’s changes broke their software. I accept that Apple produces good products but they have no concern for their users and software providers. They make changes to their OS with no apparent concern for backwards compatibility.
This eLyric controller update works ok with iOS 6.1.3. This is what I'm using. Lets not forget that the iOS update was Apple's f*ck up, not PS Audio's.
Are you serious? I don't think Apple cares about eLyric, PS Audio ... If PS Audio wants to play in IOS XX, then it has to play by Apple's rules.
I see it miles away, you guys are not Apple lovers but PS Audio software/firmware engineers or beta testers. LOL!!!
Ok, I feel the need to clear things up a bit.
1. I only own apple computers, iPhone, iPad, with one exception (a Wyred4Sound Linux based server).
2. I like apple products generally.
3. I have not upgraded any of my iThings to iOS 7 because I believe it is still faulty.
4. I have no affiliation with Apple, PS Audio or any other software or firmware or hardware companies. You can't just go accusing people like that!
5. Sure I want to be a beta tester, but they won't let me in yet... Not sure how to earn my stripes on that one?
6. You did get 1 thing right though - Apple does not care about PS Audio or eLyric.
I will suggest that you chill out just a wee bit. Sure, we all frustrated by things that don't work, but lets keep this forum constructive.
Many here are frustrated, deservedly so, but please refrain from taking undeserved shots at other users merely because you are unhappy with the product or others see matters differently from you.
If you have any suggestions technically as to how the products can be improved, I am certain PS Audio would love to hear from you. We would be thankful as well.
Well put Elk. Constructive criticsm has always been welcome on the PSA boards but we try to keep it civil. Frustrations do understandably boil over occasionally (I’ve been guitly myself more than once).
Stereophilus, as to what it takes to become a beta tester, I am one but I’m not sure how I got here except maybe longevity and the luck of the draw. I have been participating in the PSA boards since early P300 days and got to be a Bridge beta tester, which seems to have led to the softare beta testing. Unlike many of my fellow beta testers, I am not a technical wiz, just a regular user (they need some of those too). You should understand that you really have not been missing much. You can count the number of PerfectWave versions on the fingers of one hand, and the early ones were completely unusable (and no usuable Mac version was provided). Most of the times the developer promised Paul a new version (which was sometimes reported on the general boards), the developer failed to deliver (an issue that is now being addressed on both the Mac and PC sides). I’m running foobar2000 (with its streaming plug-in) until we get a new Wavestream version to test, and I have no idea when that will be.
Part of being a “boys club” is realizing that we are all subject to the effects of influences that constantly follow us around. Add to this that friends can afford to take the occasional “shot” for the team, and not only do things quiet down quickly be we also can have a good look at ourselves and perhaps ask why we said what we said, what was our INTENT and how it could possible be better expressed in the future.
Like it or not a common standard model in customer service out there is “he who complains the most gets the best attention and remedies.”
I understand the “let down” when expectations are not met or, when remedies seem to take forever, how one could perhaps feel that some venting MIGHT tend to refocus attention.
The forum members are more than willing to help with problems that are within their expertise but beefs with the manufacturer [even when warranted] might be more effective if done directly to their customer service representatives where a reply and solution can be expected.
The Beta group was “officially” set up a while ago and purposefully contains a variety of expertise, equipment and approaches.
The concept is to see if such variables surface any unforeseen bugs in a user group that knows how to get back up and running either on their own or with minimal assistance.
From time to time we look at the contribution of it’s members and do some trimming, keeping in mind that not everyone is always available for each test series.
We also keep an eye open for new potential members based on the original criteria and their regularity of involvement…
I’ve had the time to try a couple of other controllers (Kinsky, ArkMC Lite, and 8player), but I have not found one that keeps a running record of what was played, or allows the user to set up a playlist on the fly by adding songs to a queue like eLyric. Those are two features in eLyric I really like. Anyone know of a different controller that does that type of thing?
If you look at playlists/recently played and hi-light the tracks you want then right click lets you “create a playlist” and save it with the title of your choice.
Also, holding down on tracks instead of tapping, will allow you to add to playlist among other options.
Gordon, I guess I should clarify that I’m looking for a controller that does not have to rely on a computer to be running on the network. Pardon me if I am not expressing this correctly, but something that I can put on my iPad and it sees the PWD and the Twonky file server I have set up under the desk and plays the music.
From what I can surmise iTunes and jRiver remote would need to be running on a computer hooked to the network. I can already do that with MediaMonkey and MonkeyMote, but sometimes I don’t have my laptop with me so I need something that doesn’t require one, but still has all the eLyric features. I just haven’t been able to find the perfect solution yet so I keep going back and fiddling with eLyric hoping it will work, hence the frustration?
I guess it all has to start with the “player” program that the controller is then controlling since the playlists will be stored in the player and not in the controller.
I’m using a Mac Mini so If I enjoyed a session, I just use the mac as described above and save the play list.
Perhaps send the request to your favorite controller vendor and see if you get a reply. They are both nice features.
