New, new Torreys ready for your approval


#1

Holy crap! 45_gif We found another bug that affected some of you with Bridge I and this fixes it. Hopefully THIS is the last one. It does sound different, but not by much. I find there’s a little more weight to vocals and instruments, voices not as forward as the last one. See what you think. smiley-music005_gif

What I am mostly interested in is if there’s any further bugs to be found and if this is ok to release.

Thanks for the help. You guys are amazing.

BTW, this requires you to pull the SD card out once you load it or it will reload every time you reboot.

Looking forward to your thoughts.

New, New, Torreys


#2

Paul, the fpg file is 11211, which I assume is version 112 compile 11?. That’s the same filename as on Torreys B (I know the DSD file is different, being 118 instead of 117). If the fpg file is the same why would it sound different to B? (or is it because the DSD file has moved things around?). Or am I going mad(der?).


#3

Paul, it’s completely different in sound firmware, THIS version is much more harmonious, streamlined, more emotional. Music pours directly into the soul. I’m in shock, such a surprise I never expected.


#4
danofesherintheuk said Paul, the fpg file is 11211, which I assume is version 112 compile 11?. That's the same filename as on Torreys B (I know the DSD file is different, being 118 instead of 117). If the fpg file is the same why would it sound different to B? (or is it because the DSD file has moved things around?). Or am I going mad(der?).
As a friend of mine says "Everything makes a difference."

There are ways of lessening some of the differences, but there will always be interactions between things that share the same power cord, the same enclosure, or …


#5
Ted Smith said
danofesherintheuk said Paul, the fpg file is 11211, which I assume is version 112 compile 11?. That's the same filename as on Torreys B (I know the DSD file is different, being 118 instead of 117). If the fpg file is the same why would it sound different to B? (or is it because the DSD file has moved things around?). Or am I going mad(der?).

As a friend of mine says “Everything makes a difference.”

There are ways of lessening some of the differences, but there will always be interactions between things that share the same power cord, the same enclosure, or …


Ted, you’ll need to answer the question or you’ll get Elk onto you ):-

#6
Paul McGowan said Holy crap! 45_gif We found another bug that affected some of you with Bridge I and this fixes it. Hopefully THIS is the last one. It does sound different, but not by much. I find there's a little more weight to vocals and instruments, voices not as forward as the last one. See what you think. smiley-music005_gif

What I am mostly interested in is if there’s any further bugs to be found and if this is ok to release.

Thanks for the help. You guys are amazing.

BTW, this requires you to pull the SD card out once you load it or it will reload every time you reboot.

Looking forward to your thoughts.

New, New, Torreys


Can confirm that all the problems I experienced with the previous release and Bridge 1 are now resolved. Will comment on sound quality later. Many thanks for resolving the issues so quickly.

#7
danofesherintheuk said Paul, the fpg file is 11211, which I assume is version 112 compile 11?. That's the same filename as on Torreys B (I know the DSD file is different, being 118 instead of 117). If the fpg file is the same why would it sound different to B? (or is it because the DSD file has moved things around?). Or am I going mad(der?).
Right. Only the PIC code changed in this one, it's the same FPGA. No worries, just load it and let us know. LIke I said, I think it has more weight and is slightly better than Torreys B (or C or wherever the hell we're at).

#8

djmart

Here is a quick report on the New New Torreys. DSD 1.8.8

Soundstage has opened back up to me and I like that much better,

older version played focused left and right.

Now we have lots of Mid Bass and low Bass did not hear that before.

The bass is their no need for a sub woofer at least for me.

High end is good also smooth and yes the voices to me are better.

Played some Melissa Moorer ,Jackson Browne Casino Nation punches

out the Bass. Favorite Shelby Lynn paper van Gogh Flac file.

Here is the song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5JiVQY8mYY

Hope this helps as so far I like it and I need to listen allot more.

Happy Listening ! Loaded just fine I listen to Flac files from a

Fanless computer that I altered, Foobar 2000 JPlay USB Cardas

clear USB cable. VMPS RM 40s are the speakers P5 power

Vincent SV236 Amperex Bugle Boys 12AX7s Treble Cleffs.

and of course DSD Dac.

djmart

Listened now to the Final Torreys and what a fun hobby

Paul thank you for your vision of this product and your company.

And Ted for your ability to make such nice Bits that move the soul.

with your programming knowledge and Magic. Their is magic involved !

And the rest of the PS Audio team, Dennis works so hard on the Bugs.

Lets not forget him. You need a get together in Colorado to honer this

team and invite all the good people on this forum even if we had to

pay to make this happen.

Happy Listening,

djmart


#9

Agree, initial impressions better than the previous version - the highs are no longer etched / in your face; beautiful timbre and imaging…

A little scary that a bug fix / recompile causes a difference of a magnitude I usually associate with auditioning products from different manufacturers…


#10
danofesherintheuk said Ted, you'll need to answer the question or you'll get Elk onto you ):-
"I do not know" is a perfectly fine response. So is "There are interactions between components and we cannot predict." I assume everyone understands there are idiosyncrasies in audio.

But many of us will ask questions when someone makes a statement of supposed fact or proclaims a blanket judgment. Curious minds and all.


#11

This new new torreys will not load. I loaded the previous version-- no problems. I’ve gone back to Yale, and tried to re load this version – no sale.


#12

As far as I can tell - not being a bridge user, all Okay functionally … Torreys C, - facelift version - it’s more euphonic than A. B. I’ve waited 10 months for a new Firmware release and now I am knee deep in them… I hope to find the time to assess Torreys C before D is released tomorrow 4_gif


#13
DSD8192 said Agree, initial impressions better than the previous version - the highs are no longer etched / in your face; beautiful timbre and imaging...

A little scary that a bug fix / recompile causes a difference of a magnitude I usually associate with auditioning products from different manufacturers…

+1. It may sound like hyperbole, but I think Ted and Paul are making some history here.

Additionally, I could easily live with this or the last Torreys. Sort of like choosing between two favorite ice creams. dancing-009_gif


#14

I had two anomalies loading this version:

  • When it first came up after Initializing, my Bridge II was not available on the list. Just not there. Power-cycled the DS, and the Bridge II appeared.

  • After that second “Initializing”, I noticed that the Phase was set to Out. Could have been a user error, but I don’t think I set it that way. Nevertheless, there it was.


#15
Jah said This new new torreys will not load. I loaded the previous version-- no problems. I've gone back to Yale, and tried to re load this version -- no sale.
Are you sure you unzipped the file? Placed it on a clean card? It should load.

#16
EldRick said I had two anomalies loading this version:
  • After that second “Initializing”, I noticed that the Phase was set to Out. Could have been a user error, but I don’t think I set it that way. Nevertheless, there it was.

I just checked and mine came up IN phase on the front screen. Maybe others can check too.

#17

All of this reminds me a bit of quantum physics discussions I’ve read. It’s almost as if merely looking at the firmware compile changes it. Feels like we’re in schrodinger’s cat territory. 1_gif


#18

Mine came on phase IN too


#19
vhiner1 said All of this reminds me a bit of quantum physics discussions I've read. It's almost as if merely looking at the firmware compile changes it. Feels like we're in schrodinger's cat territory. 1_gif
Hmm, you're on to something here...

Given enough willing DS owners, an interesting approach might be to compile thousands of variants and then use crowdsourcing / social filtering to winnow them down to a few amazing choices we could all listen to, Because who knows - there might be a ‘holy grail’ version out there that will exactly reproduce the real music experience - if only we could find it!


#20
vhiner1 said All of this reminds me a bit of quantum physics discussions I've read. It's almost as if merely looking at the firmware compile changes it. Feels like we're in schrodinger's cat territory. 1_gif
For those who have followed these threads in detail, Ted has explained the background for why there exists differences during the compilation process and why a voicing is 'mandatory'. I have to admit that the community members (and PS Audio) looked for the cat inside the carton box for quite some time before we understood what was going on ;)