I loaded TorreysB late last night (first Torreys version I’ve tried) and did a little non-critical listening, which is my favorite kind. What I heard just made me smile, and in the end that’s all I really care about. Once again Ted has shown that for him, the genius switch is never off. Bravo and thank you Ted and PSA.
Hello everyone, I loaded Torrey, directstream on the bridge 1. I have no problem installing. The first listening anonce that good 
. But only problems: The screen responds only ever touch, impossible to put out the directstream, no information (title, artist …). While the music playback function. The directstream is frozen. By cons after rebooting if it does not start playback from the bridge, the touch screen works, the sleep button also works … Have you seen a solution for bridge owners 1 saw? Torrey Can you be for us?
The firmware flash itself took ~ 5-10X longer than previous releases, and now power-up time is also ~ 5-10X times slower. Not a problem, but since nobody else has mentioned it I just want to know that I’m not the only one seeing this. Its playing fine, though 
Installed a new Torreys instead of my beloved 1.21. Noticed 2 things (listen only via USB): 1) If turn off and turn on DAC, then loaded now in about 1 minute instead of 10 seconds at 1.21. 2) Sound in comparison with his beloved 1.21 became MUCH better in all characteristics. Main for me - the emotionality, integrity, softness, musicality - everything is present and everything is better. Plus a large increase in separation, clarity, volume, and everything else.
THANK YOU GUYS!!!
Paul McGowan saidRoon code for the Bridge is good to go. We’re checking now with Roon to make sure everything’s cool on their end and then we’ll likely do a quick beta test. Stay tuned to this station for further details.
Happy to help beta test!
bitperfectrichard said The firmware flash itself took ~ 5-10X longer than previous releases, and now power-up time is also ~ 5-10X times slower. Not a problem, but since nobody else has mentioned it I just want to know that I'm not the only one seeing this. Its playing fine, though :)Be sure and remove the update SD card before rebooting. The reboot time without the card installed should be the same.
Paul McGowan saidDon't understand. We need the card in the DS when using the bridge for album art to appear. Are we supposed to take the card out whenever the DS is rebooted? How about erasing the Torreys files after loading and then reinserting the card? I assume that would be the same thing. Always thought the DS and the PWD ignored the OS on the card once it was installed. Thanks!bitperfectrichard said The firmware flash itself took ~ 5-10X longer than previous releases, and now power-up time is also ~ 5-10X times slower. Not a problem, but since nobody else has mentioned it I just want to know that I'm not the only one seeing this. Its playing fine, though :)Be sure and remove the update SD card before rebooting. The reboot time without the card installed should be the same.
bitperfectrichard said The firmware flash itself took ~ 5-10X longer than previous releases, and now power-up time is also ~ 5-10X times slower. Not a problem, but since nobody else has mentioned it I just want to know that I'm not the only one seeing this. Its playing fine, though :)I have mentioned it and Elk has confirmed it, so it has been seen :)
Paul McGowan saidI did. It definitely powers up more slowly. But this is not any sort of problem, unless it's definitely not supposed to do that.Be sure and remove the update SD card before rebooting. The reboot time without the card installed should be the same.
Ok… I know I said I wasn’t going to get to this… I lied… what can I say… So, I compared the TorreysB to the first Torreys Beta… Here are my thoughts…
I find the new model seemed to find its lower mids again vs the old… The vocal is more solid… I find imaging a bit better… I do think the first Torreys beta may have had a bit more air… but at possibly the expense of image in some cases… The new version sounds like the foot was taken off the gas a touch and now it seems to be nicely in the middle… Vocals are solid/ Images are more solid / Stage is still wide and deep / Airy quality (or slight diffuse quality) has stepped back just a touch - however I am not parking this in the negative lot… I think it was a move in the right direction… Although I really like that airy / hall ambience sound … I think we lost just a touch of lower mids on the first torreys beta…
Norah’s voice has more weight on it… Listened to Eric Bibb again - and the drummer really seems to pop out a bit on Where the Green Grass Grows with the brushes hitting the skin. Some songs before that (far and few between - but I have some that do) almost seemed to bring the background sounds and background vocals out too much - are now back in alignment…
I would describe old beta as ‘light and airy’ and the new one as ‘solid, better image, with still some airiness’… I think the vocal pops out more on the TorreysB as well… and to me - the lower mid/warmth seems to be back… Did I see a 1.21 user jump ship above?
Just my nickels worth…
I just downloaded the latest and presumably last version of Torrey’s and think it is great sounding.
Better clarity, dynamics and more open sounding and focused than Yale.
Thanks again to PS Audio, true audio nuts.
amsco15 said
We need the card in the DS when using the bridge for album art to appear. . . . Always thought the DS and the PWD ignored the OS on the card once it was installed.This was my understanding also, going back quite some time (Bridge I in the PWD). If this is an intentional change, PSA needs to make this clear since longtime users aren't in the habit of doing anything to their SD cards after an upgrade. Just let us know.
Edit: I didn’t mean to say that Paul’s statement isn’t clear; it is. I was just wondering if this was an artifact of the testing process that would go away with the official release, or a new normal.
Edit #2: Dennis posted his response while I was editing my original post. Looks like all is well.
magister saidamsco15 saidWe need the card in the DS when using the bridge for album art to appear. . . . Always thought the DS and the PWD ignored the OS on the card once it was installed.This was my understanding also, going back quite some time (Bridge I in the PWD). If this is an intentional change, PSA needs to make this clear since longtime users aren’t in the habit of doing anything to their SD cards after an upgrade. Just let us know.
No this is not intentional. A Force load card was accidentally released. This will be fixed in the release.
Dennis
Dennis,
It’s OK. You do fine work and everyone will survive.
Mike
Well... I gave a good listen to Torreys and as much as I wanted to like it, I much prefer Yale final across the board.
Where I feel Torreys has a leg up on Yale final would be in the area of being quieter in between the notes or a blacker soundscape if you will. I also believe it has a wee bit more definition to the lower registers too,particularly in percussive whacks and deep layered bass. I can see the new OS being quite system dependent,as are most things in audio for sure.
The sound compared to Yale seems closed in to the point of being somewhat dull,soft and less intense,like 1.21 OS [at least to me... in my system] and without the detail that I crave and enjoy so much with Yale final. I can see anyone who likes 1.21 OS being thrilled with Torreys, but for me, it misses the mark. Cymbals have a softer feel to them that makes for less sizzle for sure, but at the same time, takes away some upper octave definition that I enjoy with Yale,which of course,all things being equal, can be recording dependent.
Also,the soundstage narrowed compared with Yale and lost some feeling of depth and the impression of the music and notes fading into a black abyss into the corners of the recording venue and/or stage.Most importantly I feel the music lost its ability to get my toes tapping with a lack of drive or PRaT... kind of like Yale beta stopped me from moving and groovin to the music. If my toes aren't in motion when listening to my system then something ain't right for me.
I hate to sound harsh in my review but I have to give my honest opinion of what my ears are telling me.If some love the sound of Torreys I could fully understand that... but for me and my tastes I will have to stick with Yale for now.
If the quiet blackness of Torreys along with the superb bass definition could be added to Yale final...I could be in audio heaven.
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Thanks team PS Audio for the hard work and commitment in pushing the audio envelope for your customers.
Mark
PS
I was listening through the PWT with redbook cd throughout my listening session...
amsco15 saidYup. Put a different SD card in or erase the one with the firmware. It may or may not matter. It's supposed to ignore the firmware once loaded. If the logo button's not flashing when you reboot, then ignore all that I have suggested.Paul McGowan saidDon't understand. We need the card in the DS when using the bridge for album art to appear. Are we supposed to take the card out whenever the DS is rebooted? How about erasing the Torreys files after loading and then reinserting the card? I assume that would be the same thing. Always thought the DS and the PWD ignored the OS on the card once it was installed. Thanks!Be sure and remove the update SD card before rebooting. The reboot time without the card installed should be the same.
I tried the Torreys2 (FPGA 0.112) tonight on low to medium volume (mostly trio jazz) and with no doubt this is the best by far. The cymbals metallic shimmering is more pronounced (but not overly bright) and on low volumes the sound appear more holistic over the frequency spectre. It also seems that the positioning of the drum set has slightly changed towards my normally observed setting. At first I believed the imaging was lowered slightly towards the floor but this was not confirmed when playing some other reference tracks (e.g. ‘Fly’ from the ‘One’ album which immerses you in an impeccable manner).
I wonder (in general) if comments about perceived less surrounding air could be a indirect consequence resulting from a blacker background? To me the sound from the latest one also seem to detach better from the speakers (weightless floating in the 3D space).
Loaded Torreys with no issue. Played several hours with Qobuz, Tidal and (HiRes) files from thumbdrive without any problem. The wizards did it again…
sound is AMAZING !!!
Thank you Paul, Ted, Dennis and all the others from the PS Audio team, to me your approach proves that you’re all real music lovers 
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mark-d saidThis pretty much sums up the dangers of subjective views in different systems.Well... I gave a good listen to Torreys and as much as I wanted to like it, I much prefer Yale final across the board.Where I feel Torreys has a leg up on Yale final would be in the area of being quieter in between the notes or a blacker soundscape if you will. I also believe it has a wee bit more definition to the lower registers too,particularly in percussive whacks and deep layered bass. I can see the new OS being quite system dependent,as are most things in audio for sure.The sound compared to Yale seems closed in to the point of being somewhat dull or less intense,like 1.21 OS [at least to me... in my system] and without the detail that I crave and enjoy so much with Yale final. I can see anyone who likes 1.21 OS being thrilled with Torreys, but for me, it misses the mark. Cymbals have a softer feel to them that makes for less sizzle for sure, but at the same time, takes away some upper octave definition that I enjoy with Yale,which of course,all things being equal, can be recording dependent.Also,the soundstage narrowed compared with Yale and lost some feeling of depth and the impression of the music and notes fading into a black abyss into the corners of the recording venue and/or stage.Most importantly I feel the music lost its ability to get my toes tapping with a lack of drive or PRaT... kind of like Yale beta stopped me from moving and groovin to the music. If my toes aren't in motion when listening to my system then something ain't right for me.I hate to sound harsh in my review but I have to give my honest opinion of what my ears are telling me.If some love the sound of Torreys I could fully understand that... but for me and my tastes I will have to stick with Yale for now.If the quiet blackness of Torreys along with the superb bass definition could be added to Yale final...I could be in audio heaven..Thanks team PS Audio for the hard work and commitment in pushing the audio envelope for your customers.Mark
I think my perception is about 180 degrees out of phase with your impressions but no one is right or wrong here.
I loaded Torreys beta this morning and had no issues with the load. I did have the bar on the initialize screen also. I did not have the first beta, so I do not have any comparison with that load. I also cannot offer any info on the Bridge because I do not have one. I have had a DS from the beginning and I have done all the updates that have been provided, and I can say after 3 hours of listening that this is the best one yet, by far. The sound is more open with better air, the system has better clarity so that I can here instruments and details that were previously hidden in the mix, bass is deeper and more dynamic, and there is a smoothness to the sound that is so right. Everything that I played was like playing it for the first time. Just amazing! I do not know how Ted keeps making the DS better each time, and if he is able to beat Torreys, I cannot wait to hear it. Thanks Ted and Paul!
Mark