Hey Paul … do you know if it has been identified as to what causes the ‘out of standby’ issue? I have no bridge… I am only USB from Jriver… and I don’t think I’ve had this issue… So if it is to only fix bridge enabled units … it would seem people without a bridge would not need this? Thx. Tim.
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I play a ton of DSD - and I really don’t recall it there either. Seems like it may arise on 44/16 - but again I can’t get the combination down … like if I was playing one resolution then switched to another etc… I play a lot of SACD so … The fade in seems very rare to me… I have heard it - but, on RedCloud - sometimes I would get a fade in - and I always attributed it to my Jriver software settings buried somewhere… It doesn’t really bother me as it is so rare in my case at least… I don’t really do play-lists…
I have a DS with original Bridge I installed and have had none of these on/off issues. I do wish there was a little more clarity on the Bridge updates though. Are all Bridge updates moving forward just for the Bridge II? This is all rather confusing for owners of the original Bridge. I’m not sure if I am supposed to update it, or not?
And the volume issue, specifically it’s not remembering the previous volume setting after a power cycle? I recall reading about this in several posts. Thanks!
I asked two very specific questions in an attempt to help you to diagnose this, but you answered a third question which I did not ask. I’m happy to assist here if I can, but this method of communicating isn’t going to work…
paul has already posted that they will be making available a new version to deal with this issue
The fade is not related to the sample rate per se. It comes from a change in sample rates or a clock starting or a transition from PCM to DSD or DSD to PCM. In general if what you are about to play is different than the display on the DS you will get a fade. Some players/transports have their own default sample rate that they send out when nothing is playing. On those you’ll get a fade when you play some other sample rate, etc. But still you can tell by looking at the display of the DS. The DS won’t drop out of DSD if the last thing you played was DSD and the player doesn’t change sample rates so often you can start/drop, seek, etc. in DSD without extra fades.
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Ted, since Redcloud didn’t have this issue of the fade-in, I’m assuming whatever you did to get Snowmass to work the way it does required or necessarily resulted in this new behavior.
So it is a necessary feature of Snowmass then?
The fade in is intentional and added on purpose to get rid of the issues some people had with ticks and pops. It should be assumed this has no bearing on the sound quality improvements Snowmass gives.
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I am in the same situation in having the original Bridge and have not experienced the spontaneous awakening of the DAC from sleep mode.
Also, even though I have playlists that have all manner of PCM bit depths and word lengths plus .DSF files, I have not noticed the fade issue. I have been purposefully paying attention during the transition from one file to the next and still it sounds just like Redcloud in that one file switches to the next without issue.
One playlist in particular is one that I’m extremely familiar with and whether it’s played via JRiver MC 24 or Foobar2000 (ver 1.4.1) there are no fade-in or fade-out issues.
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Ted, as I’m always fascinated what differences your programming can make…do you have a clue if the HW measures you plan for the TSS will be in a similar range as bigger firmware updates regarding sound differences or less/more?
I ask because the sum of jumping to Redcloud and then Snowmass could easily have been from a HW upgrade of 2-3x the DS‘ price imo.
Ted I’ve done a few not very scientific experiments with the following results:
Fade-in occurs at start of a new playlist via bridge.
If I stop the playlist during the first track and restart there is no fade-in but if I let playing continue through multiple tracks to the end and then restart, fade-in occurs. N.B. all the tracks have exactly the same format. If I play another playlist (in the same format) fade-in occurs.
Fade-in occurs via I2S on the first track played from a CD in the PWT.
Fade-in occurs when source is switched to SPDIF and Toslink inputs from others.
I’ve not yet tried changing the sample frequency, bit depth or format of the tracks (all so far have been WAV 24bit, 44.1kHz).
As noted in the earlier straw poll, I’d prefer pops to fade-in, particularly as I can’t remember the last time I had a pop with previous PS DAC code. As well as 44.1kHz I have a fair amount of 48kHz music and a few 96kHz & 88.2kHz tracks. All the streamed music to the bridge is transcoded to 24bit WAV via Minimserver running on my NAS.
I plan on being surprised with the TSS.
I know that it will be less sensitive to its environment and that it will be a better audio component citizen in that it will generate less noise on the power lines, interconnects, etc. It will have a great power factor, drawing more of its current when other devices aren’t and not drawing as much when they are. There will be many grounding options to help people better match it to their environment.
The analog outputs will be approx. 3dB to 6dB quieter than the DS. The sound quality will depend less on the FPGA compiles and other things happening in the digital box.
In a handwaving sense the TSS will be at least as much better than the DS than the DS is better than the DS Jr.
The newer FPGA will allow more freedom in software innovation as well. In so far as the changes I made from Redcloud to Snowmass scale, I’ll be able to at least “double those changes” I’m pretty sure they won’t scale, but I’ll figure something out.
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Wow, that sounds promising! The HW effect and upscaled SW effects.
Hi
I do not use a Bridge and do not have any problems with the DS awakening from standby.
Do I still need to update to the newer version of Snowmass with the PIC code fix that solves the coming out of standby since I presume it only happens to Bridge users?
Thanks
Hi Ted
Were are you in the development cycle of TSS? Approx. how long do you expect before Paula and crew will have something to drool over?
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I have interruptions or cut off‘s at the very end of tracks before the gap to the next track (had it with DSD just minutes ago) but not sure if it comes since Snowmass.
Ted, and others concerned about the fade in…
Now I am settling in to using the DAC more “normally”, I am not hearing the fade in much… when I loaded Snowmass, I was jumping all around my collection and trying different hi rez, back to CD, back etc… Normal for me is not that behaviour… so maybe I over-reacted to the fade in… thinking it was worse than it was.
Try Dr John… Gris Gris… I Walk on Guilded Splinters…ooooo… play this only at night… in the dark…damn!
Peace
Bruce in Philly
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I don’t like to talk about things before I know they are working (or I know will work.) There are many things that can go wrong between now and then, not all of them under my control or PS Audio’s control.
I can say that I really like how the audio transformers look (ignore the dandruff… dust I mean):
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Is that a spring suspension? McPherson struts and wishbone? - oh wait, that is a screw hole!!! Hey, why not a spring suspension…?
http://www.jensen-transformers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/jt-11ssp-7mpc.pdf
Peace
Bruce in Philly