Good, I can relax now. Must say however, that Torres has removed yet another veil from the music. I was stunned by the improvement over Yale. Just by coincidence, I was wondering why PSA hadn’t come out with a speaker. Truly exciting news to see one is in the works…as well as being in my price range. Looking forward to their release.
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Greetings fellow music lovers: i am not one to post much but wanted to comment on the Torreys update. I just acquired a new BHK amp and so have been actively listening and getting a measure of how great it is (and it is great). I installed Torrey last night and found it to be overall a nice improvement. I use a couple of albums that feature well known male and female vocalists singing together to test any changes in the system (All the road running with Mark Knopfler and EmmyLou, and Raising Sand with Allison Kraus and Robert Plant). These two albums are good tests because if the voices are not “right”, then nothing else will be. I found that Torrey kept the voices more balanced and more focused. Yale seemed to have them a bit larger than life and with more fullness. I guess in the best of all possible worlds, i would have a switch to allow me to toggle between the two (Yale and Torrey). Yale for late night relaxing listening, and Torrey for more involved active listening. But overall, i think Torrey is more correct and balanced in the presentation of the voices and the surrounding instruments (which were more delineated with Torrey).
Thanks so much to Paul, Ted, and the rest of the amazing PS team. Kent
kent tager said These two albums are good tests because if the voices are not “right”, then nothing else will be.A good test. We are very sensitive to how voices sound.
I found that Torrey kept the voices more balanced and more focused. Yale seemed to have them a bit larger than life and with more fullness. I guess in the best of all possible worlds, i would have a switch to allow me to toggle between the two (Yale and Torrey). Yale for late night relaxing listening, and Torrey for more involved active listening.While I always go for the most accurate reproduction of what is on the recording, it is easy to set up a SD card with both firmware versions on it, or to have two separate cards if you prefer. This way you can switch at will.
(I know many advocate putting only the files for one firmware on the card, mine has perhaps a dozen different versions in individual folders. When I want to change, I simple delete the cirrently active individual firmware files from the root directory, open the folder containing what I want, and paste these individual files to the root. Reboot the DS and go. I have never had a problem. But I like living dangerously.)
kent tager said Greetings fellow music lovers: i am not one to post much but wanted to comment on the Torreys update. I just acquired a new BHK amp and so have been actively listening and getting a measure of how great it is (and it is great). I installed Torrey last night and found it to be overall a nice improvement. I use a couple of albums that feature well known male and female vocalists singing together to test any changes in the system (All the road running with Mark Knopfler and EmmyLou, and Raising Sand with Allison Kraus and Robert Plant). These two albums are good tests because if the voices are not "right", then nothing else will be. I found that Torrey kept the voices more balanced and more focused. Yale seemed to have them a bit larger than life and with more fullness. I guess in the best of all possible worlds, i would have a switch to allow me to toggle between the two (Yale and Torrey). Yale for late night relaxing listening, and Torrey for more involved active listening. But overall, i think Torrey is more correct and balanced in the presentation of the voices and the surrounding instruments (which were more delineated with Torrey).Thanks so much to Paul, Ted, and the rest of the amazing PS team. Kent
He’s obviously an Audiophile as well.
Thanks for letting us know, Paul. I like the idea of supporting our fellow members. 
Welcome, Kent!
magister saidThe danger of being quoted out of context ..................................!!davidl said To me Yale had an almost intoxicating depth of tone, particularly for male voices,Thank you! Last night I wrote a post in which I liked Torrey's in general very much, but felt that one thing had gone missing, and I couldn't accurately describe that one thing. "Depth of tone" says it exactlyI spent all day yesterday listening to Torreys Final. As I've said in the past, it's very hifi-like but I no longer get the intoxicating magic that I had with Yale. Maybe Ted will come up with a compromise next time because I no longer hanker to switch the system on (in spite of hearing extra detail).
I should reiterate what I said in my original post: While I liked Yale as described above I feel Torreys is more accurate. Having done a couple more hours of listening I can confirm that Torreys takes me further into the music - more details, subtleties, nuances - altogether more enjoyable.
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Elk said Thanks for letting us know, Paul. I like the idea of supporting our fellow members. :)Welcome, Kent!
I loaded Torreys Final on top of Torreys-B with no problems what so ever. The settings screen showed revision of 136, so the load must have been good ? I gave a long and hard listening to the Torreys-F for the past two days but found something missing compared to Torreys-B. Something didn’t seem right to my ears. The sound is not as fluid and deep with the Final. The vocals also seems slightly grainy too. Rebooted the DS couple of times but same sound. I went back to Torreys-B and got back the sound. I am a bit surprised the the Final is so much different than B version and can’t stop thinking if its possible that even if the revision showed is 136, it didn’t install/load properly ? I usually use a mac to download the zip files and always do an “rm -f” of the old files first, followed by “sync” couple of times and then copy the new files, followed by “sync” and finally eject.
There is a difference between Torreys B and Torreys Final. Most should find the improvements in low level linearity help Torreys Final to be best, but I’m not surprised that some find Torreys B a little better.
Hi guys,
Torreys loaded in two minutes, no hitches or hiccups. The first impression is the deepening of lows but the stage and the definition got also much better. I have better dynamics in every level. These are the first 3 hours of Torrey’s impressions and my wife - who has a better ear than me! - noticed the same and she is happy;).
Thanks Ted, Paul and all the team
Greetings from Istanbul
Burak
PWT, DS DAC/Bridge 2, Synology 1511+, Wavac PR - T1, Wavac md 805m, Verity Sarastro IIS, Crystal Dream spk cables, dh Labs IC, P10
Paul McGowan said No ignorance - just confusion and I am the culprit. It's a fine line. Torreys makes the DS Roon and Transport ready.Having said that, the Bridge is not yet Roon Ready.
So, while the DAC is, the Bridge ain’t. Probably going to be a couple more weeks before we’re given the green light to update the Bridge.
kent tager said I use a couple of albums that feature well known male and female vocalists singing together to test any changes in the system (All the road running with Mark Knopfler and EmmyLou, and Raising Sand with Allison Kraus and Robert Plant).Nice choices Kent. I'm also fond of the live Knopfler/Emmylou version, Real Live Roadrunning. Great combinations.
Ted Smith said There is a difference between Torreys B and Torreys Final. Most should find the improvements in low level linearity help Torreys Final to be best, but I'm not surprised that some find Torreys B a little better.Ted, by low level linearity did you mean low level definitions ? Honestly, I didn't hear or feels anything worse when I moved to Torreys-B from Torreys-F but it could be that my mind was hung on the other aspects of sound. I need to switch and listen one more time. What did Torreys-F traded off for the low level linearity ? Can't we have both - low level linearity as well as the sound character of Torrey-B ?
Welcome, Burak!
julie saidPaul McGowan said No ignorance - just confusion and I am the culprit. It's a fine line. Torreys makes the DS Roon and Transport ready.Having said that, the Bridge is not yet Roon Ready.
So, while the DAC is, the Bridge ain’t. Probably going to be a couple more weeks before we’re given the green light to update the Bridge.
Does that mean that if your have a Bridge2 in a PWD Mk2 that it will be Roon Ready once you get the green light to update the Bridge?
Ted Smith said There is a difference between Torreys B and Torreys Final. Most should find the improvements in low level linearity help Torreys Final to be best, but I'm not surprised that some find Torreys B a little better.I finally had about an hour today to listen to TC (same as TF from what I gather). It is absolutely KILLER! I seriously was so drawn into the music, I can see how some may find it "more hi-fi", I think it is more accurate - without being analytical. It has depth, dynamics, OMG - the base... Seriously like a new DAC. I started listening to Daft Punk Random Access Memories 88.2/24, then some Direct to DSD from Bassface swing trio - plays Gershwin - this is a Direct to DSD SACD from Stockfisch Records - probably one the most realistic sounding "you are there" recordings I own. No over-dubs, or re-takes, this is all done live to the DSD recorder. I was tapping my feet, and definitely noticed the improved pace and rhythm over the previous Torreys.
Well done Ted, Paul, and team! This DAC is so musical, in the sense of reality - not hyper-realistic. I spent so much time listening, I was actually late picking up the kids from daycare… I couldn’t stop listening. Low level detail - especially air around brass, cymbals, hi-hats are so close to live. And like I said - that freaking base! Throw on some Victor Wooton or Bela Fleck or other well recorded electric base and be prepared to crap your pants… Especially on a system that is full-range. I’ve listened to that Stockfisch recording at least 200 times, and the stand-up acoustic double bass, is in the room. In the room, in the sense of it’s the resonance - especially on bowed stringed instruments. They are more strident - in a good way, in a way that a real violin sounds. There is texture, sort of like the mid-range on a good EL-34 or even 300B tube - but without any slowing down, or smoothing off of the music.
Can you tell I am pleased as hell! I’m ecstatic!
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UPDATE: I got home a few minutes ago and checked the situation. Bad news – I lost sound yet again with Torreys Final, this time without the JitterBug in circuit, and needed a DS power cycle to get the sound back. In other words, the sound drops with Torreys Final via USB with and without the JitterBug in place. I have rolled back to Yale and reinstalled the JitterBug.
There are at least two others with what seems like the same Torreys issue (see posts #s 67 and 72, above). Ted, where, if anywhere, do things go from here? Thanks.
Paul McGowan saidjulie saidPaul McGowan said No ignorance - just confusion and I am the culprit. It's a fine line. Torreys makes the DS Roon and Transport ready.Having said that, the Bridge is not yet Roon Ready.
So, while the DAC is, the Bridge ain’t. Probably going to be a couple more weeks before we’re given the green light to update the Bridge.
Does that mean that if your have a Bridge2 in a PWD Mk2 that it will be Roon Ready once you get the green light to update the Bridge?
It does. The Bridge II, once updated, will bring Roon to the PWD, DirectStream or DirectStream Junior. But, the PWD will also need an update.
Bootzilla said [many nested quotes deleted]UPDATE: I got home a few minutes ago and checked the situation. Bad news – I lost sound yet again with Torreys Final, this time without the JitterBug in circuit, and needed a DS power cycle to get the sound back. In other words, the sound drops with Torreys Final via USB with and without the JitterBug in place. I have rolled back to Yale and reinstalled the JitterBug.
There are at least two others with what seems like the same Torreys issue (see posts #s 67 and 72, above). Ted, where, if anywhere, do things go from here? Thanks.
Dev saidTed Smith said There is a difference between Torreys B and Torreys Final. Most should find the improvements in low level linearity help Torreys Final to be best, but I'm not surprised that some find Torreys B a little better.Ted, by low level linearity did you mean low level definitions ? Honestly, I didn’t hear or feels anything worse when I moved to Torreys-B from Torreys-F but it could be that my mind was hung on the other aspects of sound. I need to switch and listen one more time. What did Torreys-F traded off for the low level linearity ? Can’t we have both - low level linearity as well as the sound character of Torrey-B ?