it works for me. Must be a special problem in your case.
Works fine for me too, JRMC 21 + Torreys.
Ted Smith saidHi Ted. My DS (Torreys Final) just lost sound while I was playing a Flac file in JRiver on my MBP via USB. That makes three disconnects counting the two with Torreys C. Not sure I want to remove the JitterBug, as it made a nice improvement with Yale, i.e., not sure I am prepared to try to shoot out Yale + JB versus Torreys without the JB. I never had any disconnects with Yale + JB. Maybe I got a bad install on both Torreys C and Torreys Final. I just reformatted my SD card. I will try to reinstall Torreys Final. If I have another disconnect, I think I will revert reluctantly to Yale and await the eventual Torreys successor. Thanks.Bootzilla said Hi Ted. I experienced what appeared to me to be a technical issue with Torreys C beta, namely that the music stopped suddenly in the middle of playing a file and I needed to power-cycle the DS to regain sound. I reported this in the 'New New Torreys' thread here. I did not see anyone else report a similar issue and no one commented on my post. Hence, I am hoping and assuming it was one-off anomaly (actually, it happened twice in a couple of hours, at which point I reverted to Yale). I will endeavor to install Torreys Final later this evening and hope for the best.There have been sporadic failures of random things on the boot that does an upgrade of most releases over time. The next boot is almost always better. Also there are still known issues with the Bridge II in Torreys: http://www.psaudio.com/forum/directstream-all-about-it/bridgeii-issues-in-torreys/#p56027Neither of these seem to apply to the 2nd failure you mention: but if it happens again take out the JitterBug and see if that helps.
After my experiences with Pikes I was ready to dive into Torreys. It’s now late in the day and I’m sorry I didn’t give myself more time to leave my butt in the listening chair! You messed with the soundstage, making it deeper and wider. There’s just a little less veil off the lower treble / upper mids, as well. These are my first impressions. I’m always tempted, as I am now, to say the newer is better, and for sure I’m excited about what I’m hearing today. I need to settle into this for the next week or so, but this feels oh so promising. As some of our colleagues have noted, perhaps there will be some take-aways that I’ll find, but I haven’t found anything today except a little more joy, and that is what I’m in this for when all the OCD is said and done. Thanks for your skill and commitment, Ted and Paul and Team!
I find the Torreys Beta rev 0135 to be a noticeable improvement over Yale. It has more clarity, better resolution, broader/deeper soundstaging, and more sparkle than Yale. Torreys Beta reveals textures I didn’t hear with Yale. With Torreys Beta, I can hear a soloist leaning into, turning away, or pulling back from, the microphone. I can even hear whether they turned to the left or to the right. But I find in my system, Torreys Final doesn’t bring that same resolution forward. So I reloaded the Beta version and am happy with that beta sound. I plan to read of others’ experiences re Torreys Beta vs Final.
mggm56 said . . . I’m always tempted, as I am now, to say the newer is better . . .We are amusing creatures. We like novel and find it better, and also find what we are comfortable with better.
Thus I find it most instructive to listen to any change for a good while before making judgment. There appears to be a happy medium where the change is both novel and familiar. 
I like the sound with Torreys, but having a couple of operational problems mentioned earlier with the final version of Torreys.
I also have audio dropouts that necessitate re-booting my DSD. I use an iMac and rip WAV files to the DSD via iTunes, played back via Audirvana. I tried changing inputs on DSD, but the only way I seem to get it playing is to cycle off and back on. Green light stays on, so it’s connected to my iMac.
Secondly, I don’t know if coincidence, but since installing Torreys, iRemote is having operational problems, often losing my library on both my iPads. I find myself having to turn Wi-Fi off and then on and waiting…Most of the time, it comes back, but sometimes I also have to re-boot iPads.
I’ll re-install Yale tomorrow to test operational issues and will report back.
Bootzilla said Hi Ted. My DS (Torreys Final) just lost sound while I was playing a Flac file in JRiver on my MBP via USB. That makes three disconnects counting the two with Torreys C. Not sure I want to remove the JitterBug, as it made a nice improvement with Yale, i.e., not sure I am prepared to try to shoot out Yale + JB versus Torreys without the JB. I never had any disconnects with Yale + JB. Maybe I got a bad install on both Torreys C and Torreys Final. I just reformatted my SD card. I will try to reinstall Torreys Final. If I have another disconnect, I think I will revert reluctantly to Yale and await the eventual Torreys successor. Thanks.If your problem is caused the JitterBug I wouldn't hold high hope that any future release will fix it. It's not just a theoretical problem, in some systems the signal is affected too much by the JitterBug and it may or may not work with varying releases, hubs, drivers, etc. Still you can try the JitterBug in, say, an unused USB port on your computer or HUB (if you are using one.) I'm not saying that I expect it to be the JitterBug, but if you wouldn't mind running the experiment I'd appreciate it. If it is the JitterBug we can try a shorter USB cable for example... If it's not we can see if it's in the software, etc.
Ted Smith saidHi Ted, sure, happy to do it. After my last post, I reformatted my SD card, copied Yale to it, installed Yale on the DS, deleted Yale from the card, re-downloaded Torreys Final, copied its files to my card, and re-installed Torreys Final on the DS. I will plan to listen with the JB installed and see what happens. If there are no more disconnects, then I will assume the Torreys reload fixed the issue. If I get another disconnect, I will leave the Torreys firmware in place and remove the JB. I will post findings in this thread as developments occur.Bootzilla said Hi Ted. My DS (Torreys Final) just lost sound while I was playing a Flac file in JRiver on my MBP via USB. That makes three disconnects counting the two with Torreys C. Not sure I want to remove the JitterBug, as it made a nice improvement with Yale, i.e., not sure I am prepared to try to shoot out Yale + JB versus Torreys without the JB. I never had any disconnects with Yale + JB. Maybe I got a bad install on both Torreys C and Torreys Final. I just reformatted my SD card. I will try to reinstall Torreys Final. If I have another disconnect, I think I will revert reluctantly to Yale and await the eventual Torreys successor. Thanks.If your problem is caused the JitterBug I wouldn't hold high hope that any future release will fix it. It's not just a theoretical problem, in some systems the signal is affected too much by the JitterBug and it may or may not work with varying releases, hubs, drivers, etc. Still you can try the JitterBug in, say, an unused USB port on your computer or HUB (if you are using one.) I'm not saying that I expect it to be the JitterBug, but if you wouldn't mind running the experiment I'd appreciate it. If it is the JitterBug we can try a shorter USB cable for example... If it's not we can see if it's in the software, etc.
Thanks. We’ll have a lot better idea where to look next if we have to…
Winston Chia saidmagister saiddavidl said To me Yale had an almost intoxicating depth of tone, particularly for male voices,Thank you! Last night I wrote a post in which I liked Torrey’s in general very much, but felt that one thing had gone missing, and I couldn’t accurately describe that one thing. “Depth of tone” says it exactly!
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I spent all day yesterday listening to Torreys Final. As I’ve said in the past, it’s very hifi-like but I no longer get the intoxicating magic that I had with Yale. Maybe Ted will come up with a compromise next time because I no longer hanker to switch the system on (in spite of hearing extra detail).
Hello Ted and other buddies, my DS loaded from Beta 2 to Final i can’t play the USB smoothly, need reboot the DS few times to get sounding from USB source once, after a sampling frequency switch then keep silent, while I2S, AES and Coaxial always working, using Windows 10 with Roon (tried both WASAPI/ASIO), any solution or suggestion? Typical problem is 16/44 display as 24/44 mostly on the screen.
Now rolling back to Yale, seems Torreys is not for me.
Ted Smith said Thanks. We'll have a lot better idea where to look next if we have to...No problem, Ted, although I see now that figcon1 and hercules_1 are reporting what sounds like the identical issue when using Torreys Final (at posts #s 67 and 72, above). Unless they are using JitterBugs, my JB-versus-No-JB test might be of limited utility.
Ted Smith said Yep, from Torreys B to Torreys C there was a tradeoff in the FPGA processing - Torreys B had a little lower noise floor across the board but Torreys C traded some of that for better low level linearity (which fixed the zippering bug.)Based on the above info and this post: http://www.psaudio.com/forum/directstream-all-about-it/torreys-final-posted/page-2/#p56116
If I do not have any problems with zippering sound over USB and I don’t need Roon ready for BII, are there any other considerations to do if I want to keep the TorreysB in my system instead of Torreys Final? I guess combining FPGA and PIC files from different compiles is a no go (but I reckon the zippering bug was FPGA related and not PIC related, anyway).
I will give both a long listening at different volumes looking out for listening fatigue and PRaT factors.
Exactly. I would recommend loading Torreys Final off the download site and making a clean sweep of it. Imperative? No, but that way there’s no doubt you’ve got everything tick and tied.
Bootzilla saidTed Smith saidBootzilla said Hi Ted. My DS (Torreys Final) just lost sound while I was playing a Flac file in JRiver on my MBP via USB. That makes three disconnects counting the two with Torreys C. Not sure I want to remove the JitterBug, as it made a nice improvement with Yale, i.e., not sure I am prepared to try to shoot out Yale + JB versus Torreys without the JB. I never had any disconnects with Yale + JB. Maybe I got a bad install on both Torreys C and Torreys Final. I just reformatted my SD card. I will try to reinstall Torreys Final. If I have another disconnect, I think I will revert reluctantly to Yale and await the eventual Torreys successor. Thanks.If your problem is caused the JitterBug I wouldn’t hold high hope that any future release will fix it. It’s not just a theoretical problem, in some systems the signal is affected too much by the JitterBug and it may or may not work with varying releases, hubs, drivers, etc. Still you can try the JitterBug in, say, an unused USB port on your computer or HUB (if you are using one.) I’m not saying that I expect it to be the JitterBug, but if you wouldn’t mind running the experiment I’d appreciate it. If it is the JitterBug we can try a shorter USB cable for example… If it’s not we can see if it’s in the software, etc.
Hi Ted, sure, happy to do it. After my last post, I reformatted my SD card, copied Yale to it, installed Yale on the DS, deleted Yale from the card, re-downloaded Torreys Final, copied its files to my card, and re-installed Torreys Final on the DS. I will plan to listen with the JB installed and see what happens. If there are no more disconnects, then I will assume the Torreys reload fixed the issue. If I get another disconnect, I will leave the Torreys firmware in place and remove the JB. I will post findings in this thread as developments occur.
UPDATE: The Torreys reinstall didn’t help, unfortunately. I just suffered another loss of sound that required a DS power cycle to reestablish audio via USB. All I was doing was playing the same RBCD track ripped to FLAC on repeat in JRiver with no upsampling. It worked for a while and then the sound stopped at some point. I have now removed the JitterBug and am playing the same track on repeat. I will let it run all day while I am at work and check it when I get home tonight.
Hi Ted, Paul et al,
loaded Torreys Final today without any hitches. Everything sounds very, very good. CDs (via PWT) and hi-res via PC/JRiver working great. Thank you again for all the hard work. Appreciate it. Looking forward to PWT2 and the preamp. Just need a pair of the 300’s to complete the set (and of course then the obligatory 2 (or is it 3) * P10 to feed them all…). When are you bringing out a line of speakers ?
Arnie Nudell and I are conspiring on a line of speakers right now. Long way off in the future if it ever happens. The good news is that whatever takes place, I will own one of the finest loudspeakers made - these towers will be killer - though there may only ever be two pair built if we don’t think the market will support them.
They’re about 5 feet tall, line source of AMT type tweeters and a newly designed midbass coupler array, twin 10" servo controlled woofers with a 700 watt amp built in. Really cool looking. Somewhere under $15K for the pair.
But they are in the works.
Pardon my ignorance, but I’m still confused about the Roon/Bridge II issue. Is Roon capability in the final Torres or not. Just saw the daily post and it states one of the benefits of Torres is Roon ready. IS this the case. I don’t see Directstream as option in Roon as of last night. Loaded final Torres through beta tester program
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No ignorance - just confusion and I am the culprit. It’s a fine line. Torreys makes the DS Roon and Transport ready.
Having said that, the Bridge is not yet Roon Ready.
So, while the DAC is, the Bridge ain’t. Probably going to be a couple more weeks before we’re given the green light to update the Bridge.