Your Next Upgrade? (Part 1)

I think your analogue rig needs upgrading. Can I suggest the Zanden 1200 Phono Signature (my dealer was showing it off) and a Koetsu Onyx (he sells those as well, I have an Urushi Gold).

Kyomi is a very discerning dealer by the looks of it, with a select range. I like that. My dealer 5,000 miles away is the same and carries several of the same more esoteric brands, rather than the stuff everyone else sells. I see they sell Vertere, a big seller at my place, but Vertere are based only a few miles away in West London. I do like their gear and the Vertere Phono is the best budget phono on the planet. Their turntable rigs are around $100k, probably below your radar.

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I was extremely fortunate to be a guest today of @aangen Al and Matt @minnesotafats with our host George of Kyomi Audio and my friend Doug was also there for a most excellent listening experience at Kyomi Audio sorry this was the only picture I took today I was overwhelmed by what my ears were hearing. This MBL system was at a level I’ve never heard before.

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This should be posted under my next dream upgrade! I just wrote a little on how I had the privilege of meeting @aangen, @minnesotafats, and George Vatchnadze owner of Kyomi Audio this Saturday 11/6 what a fantastic time it was listening to everything from CD’s to streaming Qobuz via Roon, and spinning some vinyl!

Music was played thru MBL101e MKII Speakers and George used two different sets of MBL monoblock amps. The first set of amps were the MBL Reference 9008a playing thru a mix of MBL reference products including this beast The MBL 1621 CD transport I can’t say I’ve heard a CD sound better than play thru this transport. We switched to some streaming in the N31 cd/Dac this was very good but the CD transport was much better IMO.

Then we switched to vinyl. I don’t own a turntable or any records for that matter. I don’t have anything against vinyl, I personally have been strictly digital due to my collection of CD’s and streaming Qobuz. My audiophile life was rocked when I heard this turntable! I’ve read and seen on YouTube Mr. Fremer stating that there is nothing better than Vinyl and to a degree I knew this was more than likely true. I never believed when he stated it blows digital away! Today I can say I’ve finally experienced everything I’ve heard and read! This experience with MBL reference and I believe it was an Airforce turntable? My apologies I’m not sure but @aangen or @minnesotafats will let you know. Wow, wow, wow and more wow! I’ve never heard piano keys, guitar strings, and horns sound better. This was as close to a live performance as I’ve ever heard. Thanks again to Al, Matt, and George for being gracious hosts today! I look forward to seeing you gents again soon!

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We enjoyed a Master Class in high end audio today!
We were using mostly MBL Reference Series Electronics.
MBL 101 E Speakers
MBL 9008 Amps each with two power cables so both internal power supplies could be used. George removed the Stealth Audio power cables and replaced them with four MBL power cables.
MBL 6010 Preamp
MBL 1621A Transport connected directly to an MBL N31 DAC via a Stealth Audio Octava-T AES/EBU cable.

We started out listening to the 1621A Transport. The Redbook CDs we played were absolutely stunning! I have never in my life heard anything that could touch the CD sound we got from this most amazing transport! No other Transport I have ever heard comes anywhere close to what it can do. Nothing. It was a standout performance.

After that we listened to Streaming via Roon on the most excellent N31 Roon interface card. The five people in the room all agreed it was a large step down sonically to what we had just heard via the 1621A.

While listening to Roon George installed and setup an Acoustical Systems Palladian cartridge with 30 hours on it to an Acoustical Systems Axiom 12 inch tonearm on a TechDAS Air Force III Premium turntable. Once he had it setup properly we started spinning vinyl. We never returned to any other source after we switched to vinyl.

As good as the 1621A sounded the Turntable/Tonearm/Cartridge setup treated us to sound that Digital SIMPLY CANNOT MATCH. It was so very obvious.

The turntable was hooked up to a Burmester Phono Preamplifier 100 phono preamplifier running through Stealth Audio Indra XLR Balanced cables into the MBL 6010 preamp. The Burmester has front panel controls to easily change any possible setting one might want to change while enjoying vinyl playback. George and I were sad he forgot to bring the Stealth Audio Helios phono cable as we both know what an improvement that would make. As it was the sound through the MBL 101E speakers had us all just awestruck at what we were hearing.

At one point while playing a great recording he disabled the vacuum hold down on the TechDAS. We heard the clarity suffer obviously until he turned the vacuum back on. The change was very obvious. The clarity increased dramatically, the instruments became more lifelike and the whole presentation just got way more realistic. It is interesting what happens when you suck a vinyl record down until it becomes one with a 75 pound platter. Very convincing.

Then George remembered that he had a Stealth Audio V17 Sakra Limited Edition pair of balanced cables. (1m, $27,600 list price) He swapped the Indra out and the Sakra in and we were stunned by the obvious improvement that pair of cables made to the sound. Everyone in the room heard it and a few of us gasped.

So we are listening to this and enjoying it very much when Matt noticed that all his MBL Noble Line gear was in the room. The Nobel line is the middle level of MBL gear and we had been enjoying the Top of the line Reference Line gear. He asked George to swap out the Reference Line gear and switch it to his Noble line gear. It wasn’t exactly a fair fight as the Reference gear had been playing for over two hours and the Nobel line gear had been powered off. But we did it anyway. We lifted the cartridge off a most impressive album we had been enjoying and then switched gear. When we dropped the needle back on the record we were all taken back by a most severe drop in the quality of the sound. Same speakers, same vinyl source gear and phono preamplifier, same cables, but oh my goodness! After getting used to the sound of the top of the line gear the Noble line gear just did not cut it at all. Had we started there we most likely would have been very impressed with the sound. But playing it second, I for one did not even want to bother listening anymore. It was more than night and day obvious. It was crushing.

We listened as long as we wanted, which wasn’t long enough for the Noble gear to get up to temperature. Then we switched back to the Reference level gear and it all came back.

We listened for another hour while Matt and George discussed the realities of bringing back his Nobel gear and stepping up to the Reference line gear.

I was so very impressed with the MBL 1621A transport. I think I have to get one. No, it does not play anything but Redbook CDs of which I have several thousand. I also decided I need a Stealth Audio V17 Sakra LE balanced cable to replace the V12 Sakra I have between my Gryphon Pandora Preamp and my Gryphon Antileon EVO amplifier.

I picked up a Stealth Audio Dream V18 UNI Special Edition power cable and four Mobile Fidelity LP Boxed albums. I got off light today but the V17 Sakra is in the near future and the MBL 1621A transport will come some time next year. Unless I opt for an Acoustical Systems Axiom 12 inch tonearm for my TechDAS AFIII Premium turntable and another cartridge. They both cost about the same when all is said and done.

It was great meeting Paul172 (the good Paul) and his friend Doug. Paul texted me afterwards and said he and Doug felt that they had truly heard vinyl for the first time. It is so true.

A good time was had by Al. This hobby is endless!

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Nice picture! Note the Ferrari Red Vivid Giya G1 Spirits stuck in a corner as if they had misbehaved. These guys really would have been in for a treat if we had used them instead of the MBL 101Es. Oh well, at least I can enjoy them at home.
LOL

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LOL! Check out the Gryphon Legato Phono Preamplifier and think some more. I have listened to and enjoyed the Zanden. It’s got nothing on the Legato though.

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What a treat and nice report! I’m so glad I don’t live close to the area. I don’t think I can live with my “nice” system after such experience :cold_sweat:

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My dealer is doing a show in late November with:

« We shall use the brand new Naim Solstice, their first turntable… versus the top of Naim’s streaming unit, the 555. Both connected to the Naim Statement set and coupled to the exquisite Marten Coltrane 3 loudspeakers. »

Fun!

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Thanks so much for the picture - nice of you…

I take it, it was a an enjoyable aural trek.

Thanks again.

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Now tell me by what you and Paul 172 experienced with vinyl, how can people who are in the high end business for long and must have heard vinyl rigs like that in setups like that multiple times…how can they still preach the superiority of digital…I personally can’t get it (but certainly accept it), as those experiences are so far from “a matter of taste and preference” at this level of surrounding components.

One wants to have those folks beside oneself, saying it to one’s face what they really hear.

What I do understand is, if folks want to push a technology on the way to improve in the fields they lag behind, so together with their strengths, they may make the race one day.

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It is really fun to be able to experience “what is possible” in a relaxed atmosphere and setting. I think that top of the line in any hobby is really neat stuff.
I always drool over the Koenigsegg lineup but will settle for what I am comfortable with in both stereo and cars.
Once you see the maximum effort pieces you begin to understand the asking price of that level of gear as there is much more that goes into the build than “just the parts”.
Glad you had a chance to hob nob with the best people in the best stereo setting possible.

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Some pictures of the Analog rig referenced by @paul172 and @aangen recently in this thread. Techdas Air force III premium with Acoustical Systems Axiom Tonearm before George installed the Acoustical Systems Palladium Cartridge. I had purchased this rig (Table and Arm, not the cartridge) and was arriving yesterday to pick it up.

Fortunately I was also able to experience the difference MBLs reference amplification gear can make through the 101s. I will be replacing my MBL Noble N15’s and N 11 preamp with MBL 9008A monoblocks and the MBL 6010A preamp. The journey continues. Thinking I am near the end and will start focusing on finding more vinyl to play.

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I really liked the Zanden 1200 phono preamp but preferred the Gryphon Legato Legacy when we listened to them side by side. The feature of immediately changing RIAA curves by the Zanden is genius.

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I can recommend to use the UNI-DIN curve which Brakemeier invented and constructed the arm for. It behaves differently than in Fremer’s comparison report at the time and is definitely first choice if you among instrumental also hear vocals. I guess the next will probably be the Helox clamp for you.

You will definitely enjoy new vinyl and hopefully you didn’t sort out vinyl before, as it will be surprising how 3D performance can change with this arm. The difference between analog and digital source recordings as well as the difference between golden era and modern recording techniques will dramatically rise.

If it happens as in my case, you’ll soon be on the chase for the last out of print analog releases you don’t have already of recordings you like.

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OMG that’s a beautiful deck!

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The sound coming from the Techdas with the MBL setup is possibly the best sound I have ever heard! It was magical and the word synergy was defined with the MBL set up I forgot to mention Burmester Phono preamp in the set up also that added to that magic! UltraFi indeed!!

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Lab 12 is another widely adjustable phono stage (tubes, if you like that sorta thing :slightly_smiling_face:)

I looked at it pretty hard before going with the Modwright P9.0x (also tubed) I just got an incredible deal on a new P9.0x that I had to take it. If I had the need to switch between RIAA curves, I would have went with the Lab 12

melto2 - lab12

Best,
-JP

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I can change RIAA equalisation, loading and maximum level from my remote on Devialet if I want to. I can’t say I ever have! The joy of digital analogue. :wink:

Turntables are the ultimate audio porn and it takes all sorts to keep the world turning around. The TechDas leaves me cold, I can see how others would sell their children for one. I’d like a Garrard 301, Artisan version, please.

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That is why my audiophile friend does not do digital. He says digital can never sound as good as a top analog deck.
But everything is relative, a real hi-end digital can sound better than a not as high end analog set up. If price wise being about equal, then analog has the advantage and is the more enjoyable sound.

My friend’s analog sounds not too bad. He has the Clearaudio Innovation TT with the Graham Phantom III tone arm, and Clearaudio Goldfinger cartridge. I love listening to his system.

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…and vice versa, in my somewhat limited experience.

Cheers.

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