PS Audio FR 30 - Priced at $ 41,000 in Sweden

You seem not understand a very simple concept:

The specs can be gamed any way someone may want without lying.

If all you want is to see an amazing spec, I’ll build a $100 bookshelf that will (on spec) blow away everything.

I fully understand, but I don’t wish to argue with you.

Jedi…you need to to tone down your language…people here just may be
a tad wiser and smarter than you…

You sound like a trol…so stop it

Best wishes

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I’m the troll here? Because I’m attempting to explain reality vs advertising? Wow.

You guys enjoy your fantasy world. I’m outta here.

You are absolutely right … The speaker area is probably where the biggest marketing lies are … the problem is that we have no measuring standard etc.

17 - 40.000 Hz +/- 1.5dB - You build it easily and measurements that last even when we make the measurements ourselves … just build

Manufacturers will present their speaker specs in a way that flatters their product and glosses over their shortcomings. There is no standard. I have Wilson’s and I have no problem with the way their material presents their speakers. I have had many speakers that allegedly go to 20hz. If you play a test tone at that frequency, you’ll hear nothing.

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Specs never really convey how a speaker preforms. My previous speakers were Von Schweikert VR 35’s which were speced out to play down to 25hz. My current speakers, Alta Alec are speced out to play down to 32hz. Although the Von Schweikert’s played slightly lower, the bass quality of the Alta is on another level. The Alta’s have greater impact and punch, are much more resolving and textured, and the preceived in room depth of the bass is nearly that of the Von Schweikert’s. If you were to look at the speakers side by side and compare their specs, you’d never come to that conclusion, especially considering how much smaller the Alta’s are, and the fact they’re a two way speaker using a 8.75" woofer, vs the Von Schweikert’s which utilizes two 6" bass drivers and a 10" rear firing woofer.
Size and specs don’t always tell the whole story.

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Agreed as all this crap about specs is irrelevant if the speakers don’t integrate with your specific room. The fact that the same people keep harping about them shows how little they know about speakers specifically and audio in general. All the in store demos don’t mean a thing about how a speaker will work in your room environment. In the end you do your research and take your chances or find another hobby.

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I never owned any speakers spec’ed below 30Hz. My next speakers upgrade would start from 38Hz +/- 3dB. I think their bass is articulate and ample and they won’t need subs to supplement them!

And if you did they may or may not do it and if they did it wouldn’t be flat. My Audio Room in one house always measures bass extension below the specs while the one in the other house doesn’t come close. So no amount of review measurements or in store demos would really tell me anything of substance. So I have concentrated on other aspects of the speakers performance to get a sound I am comfortable with. In the end how low a speaker will go won’t be the make or break that determines whether or not you can live with a speaker long term.

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Serhan

What speaker are you looking at as a replacement to your current one?

From Dynaudio Contour 20 to Confidence 30. They’re 4.5 x the price of the Contours :grin: Given a move is in the pipeline, I am holding the purchase off (and resisting the itch) :grinning_face_with_smiling_eyes:

Wilson’s are back side ported. They need proper distance to the wall. I.e. mid room placement and drop off fast.

Passive radiators and controlled vented designs do not drop of that fast and are less critical to place.

Acoustic suspension (closed) cabinets drop off least steep at low frequencies and partly are sounding even better close to the wall.

What sounds best can only be determined by hearing them.

You might be surprised when you dare to listen to a brought range of speakers. The speakers that produce the sound you like might cost much less than your budget and you can do a lot of other nice things to.

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Sounds like a solid jump in performance. I feel you about the move issue as I’ve got a consolidation/move coming up in the Spring that I’m not looking forward too gear wise. Climate controlled storage and partial sell off are in my future.

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Equipment can just be sent for testing here

I bet this is an interesting outsourcing alternative for PSA. You get the measurements and probably an accompanying double blind, double deaf review for free :wink:

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It may be, but they don’t do speakers!!!

Lol , then it’s good we can do prof control measurements ourselves lol :wink:

#QAmir is woefully bad at measurements. Find Andrew Jones’ presentation on speaker measurements from the recent Burning Amp if you care to know what properly measuring a speaker entails.

Hint: it’s not as easy as plopping them in an anechoic chamber :wink: which BTW, ASR doesn’t have.

Hint #2: frequencies under 200Hz are the main problem area. The lower you go, the worse it gets.

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