Sneak Peek: FR-30, now FR-80

I just showed my wife the picture of the FR-30, she likes it. We like modern architecture styles, it would fit in our home nicely…now $15-$20K :weary: and I will really want the TSS. Going to have to work till I’m 70.

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You caught me, but truly I like both designs :slight_smile:

I really think PS audio should just release the speaker and let it evolve.

Once it has a footing THEN design the suite of speakers(IRS killers etc) from there.

…just one young fools advice.

Yes. to DSP. The extra speakers act as both noise canceling and party mode. You can store numerous presets for a sweet spot on the sofa, then one for a chair off to the side another in an adjacent room. You can even use multiple settings at the same time. Say one straight ahead (standard listening position) and another one for friend listening in a chair. Amazing tech. For around the price of a full Kii three with bass modules, I’d buy these. Internal DACs are limited to 192 no DSD.

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Remember the original blades, when released, had a MSRP of $30,000. The blade 2 still has a MSRP of $25,000. There are sales for everything but the MSRP is still the MSRP.

I currently have the KEF R900s(and LOVE them) they have alot of the same trickle-down driver designs from the blades(at a much lower cost of course). While saying that the blade and blade 2 tech is getting old now. The blades do not have a ribben mid(which I bet sounds amazing) they do not have a mid-bass coupler, they do not have the mid-bass and woofer servo technology(which I’m sure greatly increase low-end clarity) and finally the blades do not have a rear firing tweeter(with adjustable gain).

If PS Audio can sell the FR-30s for around $15,000 then this would be a massive bargain imo. I think they could beat the blade/blade2 in sound reproduction clarity and enjoyment.

…just a trouble maker’s two cents.

@mr-ryan-eickmeyer The woofer servo idea is no more.

Interesting. :confused:

Does anyone know why they scrapped the servo woofer feedback system?

Newer technology provides better sound quality with less distortion/lag

This, from Paul’s Post No. 28 above, has come to pass:

“If it were possible to have low distortion, high transient response, and uncompressed output without the servo then that would be a God send. So far, looks like that might happen. We won’t know until we get them here and start measuring and listening.”

Cheers.

I just don’t get it…

No matter the design, positional precision is always fighting the laws of momentum. Woofers are heavy so this effect is greatly magnified. A servo feedback loop is critical for woofer design imo.

Servo feedback woofers do require massive amounts of power to drive since there are two voice coils one acting as the primary and the second coil making adjustments based on feedback. (Usually a coating on the woofer providing a capacitance voltage feedback.) So, I wonder if because they were trying to keep the woofer’s power needs low they scrapped the servo system. :frowning:

Just my 2 cents worth…Speakers are speakers. Most are bloody eyesores in my
opinion. Some of the best sounding are the worst looking. Sound quality is most
important to me. I was thinking maybe if those legs come in option of wood
finish or just black finish, people might accept them more. And this should not be
too hard for PS Audio to stock 2 leg finishings. I mean they have black and silver
for their electronic components as is.

I know I’m sort of late to this party but FWIW I like the new look especially with the gray panels. I also like the size, the footprint isn’t the gigantic floor space cover of the IRS or overly tall. They are out of my price range but if they do go with 3 tier price/performance like proposed with the AN’s that might put one where it would be.

The sense I get is that Paul started out thinking in terms of the way the IRS-V was done, because at the time, that was one of the best ways of doing it. Available drivers then were not very good, and they have moved on substantially in the 30 years since. The current SOTA drivers, and the custom ones Chris is making, outperform most anything that existed before. Most SOTA standalone subwoofers don’t have servos, and they’re amazing.

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Excellent idea.

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Metal legs could look interesting with that design as well imo…maybe some dan d’agostino type CNC work.

Last night I listened to one of the best sounding systems I ever heard. Amps were D’Agostino, with Esoteric dac/transport.
And the speakers, not yet more than 20 hours on them were works of art, both in sound and in the art that was their esthetic. I’d want these in my house 1000%

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I think the point of perplexity was that Paul still favored servos not 30 years ago, but just 1 year ago :wink:
So this rose the question if either servos really were still superior to all non servo designs until Chris‘ new creation…or if most non servo designs were already superior to servos since one or two decades.

Howsoever, it’s better to change direction right after new knowledge than to stick with past findings.

OK, so after seeing you posed with the FR30’s I’m starting to “get it” in terms of the design goals.

But (and you knew there would be a “but” right?), if the goal is to make them look more like “furniture” that blends in with home decor - an admirable design goal, BTW - please reconsider gloss black as a finish.

Real homes have this thing called “dust,” and it is very visible on shiny black surfaces. Dusting off the dust creates swirl marks in the finish over time. That, and unless one’s home decor features a grand piano, it;'s a rare piece of furniture that has a gloss black finish.

Nice if those speakers sound great!

It’s just from the amount of more extensive technology inside a FR-30, it should play in another league at least in terms of individual hifi criterias.

Also available in white, Howard ; )

What are they, Ron?