Could you mention some specific tracks/times? So far my SACD rip of “Come on in this House” sounds fine, but I don’t know if I’m listening in the same places…
I’ll listen to Sledgehammer in a bit.
Ted, Million Years Blues… track 3 - Intro drops out at the very start for a second or so then starts again and plays for the full length of the track ( 5.10 ) Same scenario with King Fish Blues… track 11… This aberration never happened before on this disc… Disc is in very good condition… But I have to say the sound performance isn’t as good as the standard CD through my PWT… I did have bother loading the FW and it took me several attempts… Would it be worthwhile that I load another new SD card just to see if there is a hiccup with my DS ? I have a pile of new SD cards…
If you are playing thru the PWT and I2S the dropouts are the I2S polarity detector bug. It could be causing smaller problems other places too.
If you have another connection from the PWT please try that and see if there’s a difference. The whole disk seems fine here played from a SACD ISO rip thru USB.
Dirk said Ted, please look at the other thread now....For posting about sound quality, post in this thread.
The other thread is only about the autosense issue. (Of course, if this sound issue is related to autosense the discussion should be in that thread.)
I don’t really expect that they can be separated easily by ear in some cases - if something sounds wrong over the HDMI I2S inputs try another input.
Both “Sledgehammer” and the cuts from “Come on in this House” sound pretty good hear from a SACD ISO rip thru USB.
"If you are playing thru the PWT and I2S the dropouts are the I2S polarity detector bug. It could be causing smaller problems other places too.
If you have another connection from the PWT please try that and see if there’s a difference. The whole disk seems fine here played from a SACD ISO rip thru USB".
@Ted, I will load another SD card and try again - I will also listen thru other connections and report back my findings later on… Absolutely no issues with standard CDs which sound incredible - who really needs HI-Rez when PCM is this good
Dirk said Ted, Million Years Blues... track 3 - Intro drops out at the very start for a second or so then starts again and plays for the full length of the track ( 5.10 ) Same scenario with King Fish Blues... track 11.. This aberration never happened before on this disc..This is playing an SACD and thus not through the PWT, correct? Is it through I2S?
Few more feedback -
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Could not play either DSD files or PCM 172/24 files.
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Quality of PCM 44.1/16 is great. The improvement in sound stage is very obvious even if you are listening from different rooms.
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Actually low quality iTunes stuffs sound great too. I was very impressed with that - the shrillness is so efficiently masked.
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A quick comparison between Yale and Torrey is Torrey sounds little thinner. Is that what everyone is hearing too ? Nothing bad though - just different representation. And have not done a very critical comparison between Yale yet (and Yale is closest to my heart of all upgrades I got in last 2 years).
More to be followed after I do a critical listening over the weekend.
Reards,
Sourav
Ted, I listened closely to to Track 2 of Peter Gabriel’ So Geffen CD #24088. I get a snap at 4, 5,12,16, and 17 seconds after that the track plays through without any further snaps. I hope this is helpful. I will reiterate that through COAX to the DAC I get no snaps at all. Thanks
Thanks, that’s what I was expecting.
I can confirm that playing the PS Audio demo disk from JRiver to the Bridge shows as playing on JRiver and playing at 176/24 on the DS, but no sound comes out. Doing so also disables any further play of other formats from JR until a power-off/on.
I’ve also seen a second issue repeatedly - after a power off/on in particular.
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Bubble or JRiver connects to BII as a Renderer (after a few tries).
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Play begins - Bubble/JR is showing the progress bar.
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So is the bridge, the correct 44.1/16 shows on the display, and the Mute indicator is green, not red, but No sound comes out - until I touch the volume slider on the Bridge - then it Really plays with no further issue.
il Carletto said My impressions after my first listening session.This is exactly what I hear on my system as well. On some recordings it can sound a tad too bright, and some midrange tones seem like they might be suppressed. But this is NOT in comparison to Yale, this is by comparison to 1.21 (the version that I find that I continually return to) on my system. I'll try to load Yale today and do some listening to it again.Pros:
more soundstage width and depth
more treble and upper treble
more bass
less noise
less “digital” sound
the overall tonal balance is higher than YaleCons:
less mid tones
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I’ll post on sonics later, but I did have some functional issues with the FW. I multi channel track would not play (I have Torreys installed on one out of 3 DACs). This never happens. I restarted JRiver and played a 2 channel track. Started a MCH track and again no joy. After that 2 channel would not play either, and I had to reboot the DAC. Now everything is playing fine again. I NEVER have any issues with previous FW versions, it must be a Torrey’s glitch. When the MCH track would not play, my 2 DACs with old FW showed 48/24 and the one with Torreys installed showed 48/16. Something funnny going on.
One more comment on Torreys related to SQ;
In my system the musical instruments residing in the soundstage seem to move towards left speaker and there seem to be some holes in-between instruments (particulary noticeable for trio jazz). The instruments themselves do not appear confined or constricted in any way. This affects the perception of natural flow as the music progresses. There are also some people mentioning more ‘brightness’ than with Yale. I have not yet made up my mind on this last one, however there is something addictive with Torreys I won’t give up.
And lastly I agree with those who say that low resolution music sounds better, too.
frode strange as I am having feeling that the center part of soundstage is off-centered a bit to the left, including singer voices. I thought it may be something wrong at my side (and it still may 
) so did not mentioned it before.
I just installed the Torrey beta and at first the sound seemed a bit weak in the upper bass and lower midrange. And originally I did think that the soundstage drifted more left. But, after having it play for awhile perhaps that’s not true. Can this be a breakin in thing?
It’s not night and day different from the Yale final, but something is wrong. It does not have the dynamics of the Yale final. Perhaps that’s what TarnishedEars commented as “suppressed midrange”, especially with HI-Rez sources.
Also, I don’t find it to be bright at all. But, I find myself wanting to go back to the Yale final. However, I’ll fight that temptation to give it another day of playing.
maniac said frode strange as I am having feeling that the center part of soundstage is off-centered a bit to the left, including singer voices. I thought it may be something wrong at my side (and it still may ;) ) so did not mentioned it before.Yeah, but we just have to be careful on the suggestive part here.
If someone happen to say that they miss some attack and timbre at the lower octaves, I would probably say ‘you too!’
But I am not certain the flaw is real or even originating from the DS
However we are here to share our experiences, so…
I just had 15 min yet to check Torreys for two tracks after playing them on Yale, so this is only a first snapshot.
Tech:
DS crashes when playing DSF or 24/192 files from bridge II. Up to 24/96 is fine, didn’t try 24/176.
Afer such a crash I have to do the following:
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switch DS off and on again
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close jriver and jremote
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pull network cable from bridge and reinsert
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restart jriver and jremote
SQ:
by this very short listen, what I heard from Torreys was…
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clearly more involving by increased dynamics! and impact, detail level, attack, transients, soundstage depth, definition, imaging
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something’s different in mids region with a perception like less lower and equal or more upper mids, which doesn’t sound ‘flatter’ than Yale, but I have to verify what exactly happens, don’t have an opinion yet
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bass and highs similar to Yale with more impact due to better dynamics
All in all again a big improvement of previous strengths without heightening unloved digital artifacts.
Great work Ted! And great to get such improvements which elsewhere could mean quite an investment in HW optimizations!
I like the sound, so far, but the OS is glitchy. It has muted itself twice in the last 24 hours and I’ve needed to re-install the OS system twice.
A bit better clarity than Yale, as well as deeper soundstage. Music sound more like the whole than Yale, or any previous version, much like analog.
Still, if I need to keep re-booting, I’ll probably go back to Yale until glitches are worked out.
Great DAC and really appreciate the upgrade ability.
I listened to Torreys for the last hour.
Compared to Yale :
Installation and operation - fluent, no issues.
Listened to all my favorites and well known music using PWT via I2s + Bridge II via LAN.
No issues at all. (Up to DSD128)
SQ
Pros:
Sound has more dynamics and Impact.
More details - everywhere.
Sound stage - A little bit wider and deeper.
More air and better separation of components.
Pianos - the biggest (instrument sound) change , the closest to real I have ever heard in my system.
Strings - more involving/exciting.
Timber - more exciting.
Cons
Female vocals - a little bit thinner with less presence. Personally I prefer thicker voices.
Bottom line - significant improvement over Yale.
Thanks to PS Audio team !!!