When feeding the Bridge .DSF files, I’m not hearing any channel reversal as has been reported.
Any thoughts as to why that might be?
Minimalist said Installed Torreys without a hitch. Was muted on startup I believe, but ran from Toslink, Coax and USB with no problems.All listening so far was from DSD sources via laptop running Audiophile Linux 3.1. The display does not show output as DoP anymore, but as “DSD128” for example. As mentioned above, channels were backwards for DSD sources, which I found a little disconcerting for making comparisons.
Regardless, echoing what has already been said, I heard more resolution top to bottom. It was like low level haze has been transformed into detail. What were background sounds with Yale became recognizable things, like a player inhaling between notes. Easier to localize instruments in space as well, particularly on good recordings like Opus3 DSD128 material (check out Tiny Island).
On the downside for me - and I need more time to investigate this - it seemed that the soundstage was smaller and more distant at equal volume. With Yale I got the sense that I was surrounded by the music, whereas with Torreys the music is clearly more in front of me. Need some more time listening to different material to get a better handle on this.
</blockquote>@minimalist - I didn’t add this to my sonic review yet, but on most recordings I found the sound stage to be wider with Torreys - except Radiohead’s Exit Music. I found on that track with Torrey’s there seemed to be a shrinking of the soundstage and a little congestion. It’s weird because I do not hear this on other tracks. Perhaps torrey’s is more accurate, and this is how this recording is supposed to sound? I didn’t spend too much time with DSD yet due to the known bug of channel swap - so I am primarily sticking to PCM (for now).
The channel reversal is in the USB processor (the XMOS chip) so it doesn’t affect bridge use.
maniac said ... folks my (and @kckuepper and possibly others) problem is NOT related to SD card@kckuepper i will try two reboots:after 1st one will play DSD, then PCM
after 1st one will play DSD, then PCM
after 2nd one will play PCM and then DSD
BTW when had no sound i tried to RESET BRIDGE from DS touch panel, however Bridge has not been reset (previously with Yale, when triggered, bridge was immediately reset)
same here. Bridge II reset does not work via the DS panel.
On the 2nd boot try PCM DSD PCM DSD. The 2nd attempt to play DSD failed on my system.
kckuepper said ... Bridge II reset does not work via the DS panel...For me, Bride II reset even never worked with Yale..at least nothing happens...don't know what exactly should happen...when I needed to get the IP again, reset didn't help
jazznut saidkckuepper said ... Bridge II reset does not work via the DS panel...For me, Bride II reset even never worked with Yale…at least nothing happens…don’t know what exactly should happen…when I needed to get the IP again, reset didn’t help
Did work for me with Yale. Its basically a re-initialization / reboot of the bridge without the need to boot the DS. Indication of a successful bridge reset is that the network symbol goes red for a short period and turns green again. Whenever I had network or other problems with bridge II (happended in rare cases) it worked for me - aparently not on your end …
I wanted to give my first impressions of Torreys. I was stunned by the first sounds that emanated from my system with the first CD that I played. It was the Original Broadway Cast Recording of Cabaret. The size of the space was beyond what I have ever heard from this CD. I can follow various instrumental lines with ease. The dynamics are incredible. I also noticed an indicator for CD’s with pre-emphasis which was a surprise! I have played raw DSD from my Computer too. I have allot of listening and comparing to do. This is going to be fun!
sixpack1 said I wanted to give my first impressions of Torreys. I was stunned by the first sounds that emanated from my system with the first CD that I played. It was the Original Broadway Cast Recording of Cabaret. The size of the space was beyond what I have ever heard from this CD. I can follow various instrumental lines with ease. The dynamics are incredible. I also noticed an indicator for CD's with pre-emphasis which was a surprise! I have played raw DSD from my Computer too. I have allot of listening and comparing to do. This is going to be fun!Thank you for this observation. Although I only have a few HDCDs, I've always left the processing to my Oppo 105D. I'm now going to have to try it with the 105D doing the processing versus feeding it to the DS DAC unprocessed via coax and TosLink.
Hey guys-here’s my initial impressions so far. I had no trouble loading the firmware or functionalitywise that i noticed. The OS seemed to load very similarly to Yale previously. I usually have the display off on my DS, so i haven’t paid too much attention to any display issues. My brother was in the listening room with me last night and sat in my room’s “sweet spot” chair and i sat next to him and moved around a bit (behind him, etc) to listen to some various test tracks that i typically listen to.
First thing i noticed is that the apparent sweet spot-soundstaging from Torreys is noticeably wider. I don’t recall my system sounding this good from locations other than right in my usual listening spot, so it was a bit of a surprise to me. The other thing that stuck me right away was the noisefloor-i dare say that Ted has succeeded again in lowering it. How that is possible at this point, i really don’t know, but the music just seems to get more and more black quiet with each successive release. I am looking forward to some more listening over the upcoming weekend, and i’ll post a followup 
Thanks Paul/Ted for the opportunity!
jazznut said
For me, Bride II reset even never workedNevertheless, a bride reset (even your second one) could not be completely ruled out as being a good idea at times!
Ted,
I wanted to add some detail to the issue I cam across today when auditioning Torreys in my DS with my PWT as the source. When attempting to play track two of Peter Gabriel's So album, Sledgehammer. When connected via I2S I get snapping sounds the first 20 seconds of the track. If I connect via coaxial I do not get the snapping sounds. I reloaded Yale to be sure and with Yale I do not get the sounds via either connection. I am loving the sound i hope this bug can be fixed without hurting the sound.After the first 20 seconds everything is fine? The code is looking for evidence of the clock phase, but 20 seconds is a long time. But if it works reliably for you after the first 20 seconds that would be valuable information, thanks.
Hi all… would like to give my first impressions… To start - I have yet to do a solid a/b with Yale… so these are just initial impressions and nothing more…
Install was flawless… This is my first upgrade (but I am an IT person…) … anyway - no issues or glitches… started up as muted as all have noted…but I’m not sure that is a ‘bad’ thing…
Currently running jriver 21 -> USB->W4S Recovery->DS… w Martin Logan Odysseys (stats)…
Impressions:
I find the initial attack of notes better… Also seem to notice a bit more depth… As if the performance is in a slightly larger space? I have listened to DSD64/DSD128/192-24/44-16… Does anyone here seem to think their 44-16 tracks seem more improved than the DSD? It is a close call … and I would like to A/B vs Yale (and will) - but, I felt that there was more of an improvement on redbook…I listened to a ton…including Norah Jones/Steely Dan/Mahler/Beethoven piano sonatas/James Taylor/Opus 3 disc/Cat Stevens/Eric Bibb and a bunch more…(hey I’m working today!! )
Highlights:
DSD
Mahler 8 - very very smooth … nice and right…
Diana Krall - Temptation - voice seemed a bit more fleshed out - the drums had depth as did the block / Almost Blue - Just picked up the fact the harp plays through out the song… I thought it was only in one place…
James Taylor - Hourglass - Gaia… if you want to feel your floor shake - play this song…
2xDSD
Opus 3 disc - Black Beauty - Attack on horns is great… Seemed to be more depth in all instruments… This song is an audiophile’s dream… as the cello/piano/and every woodwind and brass instruments interplay with one another filling up their place in the stage. / Eric Bibb - Analogue Bibb … Where the green grass grows… several others … Easily one of my go-to discs when I want to hear good sound… Sounded great… but so did Yale…
44/16
Cat Stevens: Numbers - Just about all of the redbook I played seemed to show more depth… no exception here… Vocals in particular.
Dan Fogelberg: Hey - this guy was great before he hit the radio… … I like his old stuff … and again - fairly lousy cd transfers that seem to get a nice bump up with more depth… a bit fuller bass…
192/24
Steely Dan: Everything Must Go … This album always had great attack … Torreys seemed to bring it to the forefront - and Fagen’s vocals really seemed a bit more holographic…
On some recordings - I seemed to notice a bit more edge to the vocal… Not sure … but it would make sense if instruments had better leading edge - vocals may as well… This is an A/B needed for sure… But, to me, I thought vocals sounded a bit more rounded in Yale (not a bad thing in my opinion)…
Well that’s all I have for now… I will A/B… and then tell you I was all wrong!! And yes - I am battling the DSD switcheroo as well…
Ted,
I think I see your nefarious plot. As you make the background blacker and blacker you are creating a black hole to suck us all in. 
Very early now but…
Loaded correctly and had a progress bar
Yes blacker
Most dynamic
More musical
very much like going from a good, new production tube to a really, really good NOS tube.
Playing 16/44.1 from wave files
Bruce
This is for Ted,
RE: the channel reversal that I experienced, a bit more information
I am using the I2S inputs, both 1 and 2, they both exhibit the channel reversal but not all of the time.
I am experiencing some loud pops and ticks when using these inputs also.
Switching back and forth between 44.1, 96 and 128 DSD.
I can switch between the SPDIF and I2S inputs while listening and the channel shift is not on the SPDIF input.
This is with redbook source material.
Otherwise I concur with the enthusiastic response that I am reading from the other testers.
Thanks. I’ve been waiting for some feedback on the I2S (HDMI inputs) polarity auto sense. No need for more input - it’s too close to release to polish it enough (and or add a UI) to include on this release.
It was late-ish Friday night after a long week with high winds and broken sleep. Not right for a critical listening session so I just thought to get a little introduction to Torreys. The hifi had been on a couple of hours before I came in to listen. A few tracks of Yale and then the switch.
I did not want to stop. But after I heard Nardis by Patricia Barber I thought “enough” I can’t top that!
I only played 44/16 files via USB except 1 HDCD full rip via dbPoweramp. Incidentally the HDCD showed as 16/44 so I’ll look into that more later.
Music: The Members - Romance, Beatles - Sgt Peppers, Beth Orton - Sweetest Decline, Cure - Lovecats, Holly Cole - Don’t Smoke in Bed, Nick Cave - The Weeping Song, Crash Test Dummies - God Shuffled His Feet, Patricia Barber - Nardis.
Impressions
- No technical issues at all so far.
- There was obviously extra detail and separation (I call it resolution) varying by recording.
- Soundstage was wider and much deeper front-to-back. This was very helpful in creating a real sense of being in a venue.
- Timber was enhanced, more lifelike , especially on percussion, double bass and piano (which I think is the hardest to do well).
- Layering of synths and organ was very good and washed over me in waves. I had no artificial stimulants, not even coffee!
The really big thing was the involvement. I'm being cautious here - it could have been my state of mind (tired), but it was awesome.
Ted Smith said
Thanks. I’ve been waiting for some feedback on the I2S (HDMI inputs) polarity auto sense. No need for more input - it’s too close to release to polish it enough (and or add a UI) to include on this release.
Therenhas been a major problem with the B2 functionality with torreys…I am unable to listen to more than 3 songs sometimes not even a full song before the ds crashes and has to be rebooted, everything locks up and it wont even chnge inputs. also I don’t understand why every time i reboot it has to run through the entire update again, normally after we update firmware it doesn’t do the flashing power button after it changes the os version…but with torreys it does it every time. if i only use usb or tos everything works fine and has ran nonstop for 12+ hrs
I see an extra file, LOADER.CFG.9999, when I extract the zip file of Torreys. This file was not there in Yale.
The file LOADER.CFG is anyway there in Torreys (which was also there in Yale).
So my question is do I need to keep this file LOADER.CFG.9999 in the SD card for installation ?
Regards,
Sourav
Also just something I noticed that when listening to dsd thru the usb using asio it shows dsd on the display where it used to show dop